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Re: The fear of North Korea

Post by Warren Dew » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:54 pm

FBM wrote:China would just expand its nuke placements, no? Yes, Chinese management would be preferable to what's there now, but SK would never stand for it, and they're more strongly allied to the US. But SK hasn't the military might to stand up to China, so the whole question - if that scenario were to unfold - would be the US response to an SK plea for intervention. This is why I drink.
China has more to lose by starting a nuclear war, so nuclear weapons under Chinese control are less threatening than nuclear weapons under North Korean control.

Would South Korea really have such a problem with China intervening on their side against a North Korea that had just attacked them? Now it's my turn to be curious - why?

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Post by FBM » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:29 pm

Ah! You meant intervening to help SK. I thought you meant taking over NK for themselves. :tup:

As for nukes. SK and the USFK are holding massive military drills at the moment (so is NK) and when it's done, the US is going to leave some nukes in the area at least for the time being.

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U.S. nukes to remain in South

To deter a North attack, weapons to stay after joint drills, possibly on sub
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An Airborne Early Warning & Control aircraft takes off from Gimhae Airport as the annual joint drill Key Resolve kicked off yesterday. [NEWSIS]
After two Korea-U.S. joint military drills end, American vessels equipped with nuclear weapons will stay in South Korean waters to fully guarantee the U.S. “nuclear umbrella” in case North Korea attacks.

A high-ranking South Korean government official told the JoongAng Ilbo yesterday, “If North Korea makes a nuclear attack, retaliation can come from U.S. nuclear weapons stationed in Okinawa or Guam. But considering the time that might take, we need to have a nuclear weapon near the Korean Peninsula.

“By not withdrawing U.S. weapons participating in the Korea-U.S. military exercises, we decided to let them stay a while and see what happens in North Korea,” he said.


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The joint Key Resolve exercises began yesterday and will continue through March 21. Roughly 10,000 South Korean troops and 3,500 U.S. soldiers will take part in the exercises, along with some high-end U.S. aircraft and submarines.

The drill practices the swift reinforcement of U.S. troops to the peninsula in case of an emergency like an outbreak of war with the North.

The Foal Eagle exercise that started on March 1 will run through April 30.

For days, Pyongyang has threatened attacks on South Korea and the United States over the drills, including “precise nuclear attacks.” It has also threatened to nullify the 1953 armistice that halted the Korean War.

“We decided to convene another Korea-U.S. submarine drill after the Foal Eagle training ends at the end of April,” the official told the JoongAng Ilbo. “We are still negotiating [with Washington] how to utilize the nuclear weapons after then.”

The official did not specify which warships would remain behind with nuclear weapons.

Sources in the South Korean military told the JoongAng Ilbo that a nuclear-armed submarine is a strong candidate.

“Since the third nuclear test by North Korea in February, there have been calls for us to possess a nuclear weapon,” a South Korean military official said. “Among various options - our own development, adoption of tactical nuclear weapons and utilizing the U.S. nuclear umbrella - the third is the most realistic.”

In 1991, U.S. forces withdrew their tactical nuclear weapons from South Korea.

Key Resolve has deployed some advanced U.S. weapons and systems, including F-22s, the most advanced stealth fighter in the United States, and the USS Lassen (DDG-82), a guided missile destroyer.

The Ministry of Unification, which is in charge of most inter-Korean issues, said yesterday that North Korea didn’t answer any calls coming from five hotlines between Seoul and Pyongyang.

“However, it doesn’t mean that Pyongyang indeed cut off the lines,” a Unification Ministry official told reporters. “The lines are still connected, but no one picks up the phone.”

The North threatened to “scrap” the 1953 armistice agreement if the joint exercises began and to “block all liaison lines” between the two Koreas. The Unification Ministry official said there is still one line that the regime answers, which is used for communication regarding the Kaesong Industrial Complex.

“Every day, we use the line to report on commuters entering the complex,” the official said. “The complex and the line were both working yesterday.”

The official added the industrial complex, to which hundreds of South Korean workers and businessmen commute, was operating as usual.

Tensions were also high at the Blue House, the presidential mansion. President Park Geun-hye convened her first Cabinet meeting yesterday and expressed her worries.

“When it comes to provocations from North Korea, we should sternly respond to them, but we also should not stop our efforts to start a trust-building process on the Korean Peninsula,” she said, according to her spokesman Yoon Chang-jung.

Although the head of the National Security Council and the minister of national defense have not been formally appointed, Park held talks with the nominees for the positions.

The Rodong Sinmin, the newspaper of the ruling Workers’ Party of North Korea, did more saber-rattling yesterday in an editorial.

“Starting today, March 11, the Choson Armistice Agreement has been entirely rescinded,” it said. “Now, the day of final showdown has come.”

However, Kim Chun-sig, deputy unification minister of South Korea, said the armistice agreement can’t be scrapped unilaterally by North Korea. “Any revision of the agreement should be agreed by both signing parties.”



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Re: The fear of North Korea

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:49 pm

Do me a favor, FBM. Put a label on your camera, "If found, please mail to (Zilla). Postage guaranteed."

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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Do me a favor, FBM. Put a label on your camera, "If found, please mail to (Zilla). Postage guaranteed."

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Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:17 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Do me a favor, FBM. Put a label on your camera, "If found, please mail to (Zilla). Postage guaranteed."

I want to see what your last shots were.
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Re: The fear of North Korea

Post by JimC » Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:20 am

Warren Dew wrote:

Would South Korea really have such a problem with China intervening on their side against a North Korea that had just attacked them? Now it's my turn to be curious - why?
But would they really be on the side of SK?

I can imagining them crossing the river, announcing to the world they intend to disarm the NK armed forces, by force if necessary, to "stop the war and stabilise the situation"

But I suspect they would simply, after NK was defeated (by SK and the US from the south, and the Chinese from the north) China would simply declare that NK is now under new management, as a non-nuclear, truly puppet state of China...

The world would be a little safer, but SK would be very, very pissed off...
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Re: The fear of North Korea

Post by FBM » Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:21 am

@ Zilla: Consider it done.

@ WB: Hee hee. Now you've given me an idea. :plot:

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Post by Jason » Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:27 am

Meh. NK is trying to throw their weight around. Testing the fence etc. Nothing is going to come of it.

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FBM wrote:@ WB: Hee hee. Now you've given me an idea. :plot:
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Re: The fear of North Korea

Post by JimC » Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:37 am

Făkünamę wrote:Meh. NK is trying to throw their weight around. Testing the fence etc. Nothing is going to come of it.
Probably, but not certainly...
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Re: The fear of North Korea

Post by Jason » Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:46 am

True, but I can't conceive of what their strategy could possibly be if they're serious. Sure they could do a lot of damage, but they'd be eradicated in short order in any scenario I can imagine.

I think they're posturing - playing the long game.

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Re: The fear of North Korea

Post by Warren Dew » Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:38 am

FBM wrote:Ah! You meant intervening to help SK. I thought you meant taking over NK for themselves. :tup:
Well, possibly both at the same time - and then setting up a replacement puppet government, of course.
As for nukes. SK and the USFK are holding massive military drills at the moment (so is NK) and when it's done, the US is going to leave some nukes in the area at least for the time being.
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Would South Korea really have such a problem with China intervening on their side against a North Korea that had just attacked them? Now it's my turn to be curious - why?
But would they really be on the side of SK?

I can imagining them crossing the river, announcing to the world they intend to disarm the NK armed forces, by force if necessary, to "stop the war and stabilise the situation"

But I suspect they would simply, after NK was defeated (by SK and the US from the south, and the Chinese from the north) China would simply declare that NK is now under new management, as a non-nuclear, truly puppet state of China...

The world would be a little safer, but SK would be very, very pissed off...
At China? Even after China's intervention meant that, say, South Korea got hit by lfewer nukes than otherwise, or lost fewer ships, or whatever?

I mean, perhaps you're right, but I'm having difficulty grasping the rationale.

Plus, all that said, I suspect a big part of China's position on this is to dissuade Kim Jong Un from starting a war in the first place.

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Re: The fear of North Korea

Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:42 am

:lol: I think I'm going to piss. :hilarious:

Can FBM please verify that the English commentary is accurate(ish)? (Not that it really matters.)
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Re: The fear of North Korea

Post by FBM » Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:43 am

Crap. I'm at work and just realized this office 'puter doesn't have speakers. Will check it out when I get home, Jack. :tup:
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No worries. :tup:
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