John Cage: 4'33"

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Re: John Cage: 4'33"

Post by FBM » Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:27 am

:lol: In that clip above, you can see a couple of the musicians sort of biting their lips. Even the conductor seemed to struggle a little a couple of times.
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Re: John Cage: 4'33"

Post by Audley Strange » Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:11 am

I've never heard it a few times.

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Re: John Cage: 4'33"

Post by FBM » Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:22 am

:clap:I might not hear it again, just for kicks.
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Post by Animavore » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:11 am

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Re: John Cage: 4'33"

Post by FBM » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:32 am

Or music.
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Re: John Cage: 4'33"

Post by Rum » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:14 am

I went to the dress rehearsal. I must say I thought they needed a bit more practice..

On a slightly more serious note Cage was not just taking the piss. He was inviting audiences to listen to the sound in the auditorium that was present in the background. Sound which is always there, which most of us never hear or listen too.

Ok, he was also taking the piss... :bored:

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Re: John Cage: 4'33"

Post by Animavore » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:33 am

Rum wrote:I went to the dress rehearsal. I must say I thought they needed a bit more practice..

On a slightly more serious note Cage was not just taking the piss. He was inviting audiences to listen to the sound in the auditorium that was present in the background. Sound which is always there, which most of us never hear or listen too.

Ok, he was also taking the piss... :bored:
My arse we never hear or listen to. We hear it at any concert before acts start, inbetween acts etc...

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Re: John Cage: 4'33"

Post by Rum » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:39 am

That's easy for you to say. :smoke:

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Re: John Cage: 4'33"

Post by FBM » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:20 am

Reminds me of the time George Carlin came out on stage and didn't say a word for 5 minutes or whatever. No facial expressions, nothing funny at all. The audience laughed throughout the whole thing. Then he bowed and walked off stage.
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Re: John Cage: 4'33"

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:41 pm

I prefer the free jazz version. :dries:
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Re: John Cage: 4'33"

Post by hadespussercats » Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:07 pm

Seabass wrote:Back in my college days, during my freshman year, I enrolled in a music history class. One of our assignments was to attend six concerts of our choosing, and submit reports on them by the end of the quarter. One of the concerts I decided to attend was an experimental music concert to be performed in one of the auditoriums on campus. I invited a musician friend of mine, as I figured it could be something he might enjoy.

So the night of the concert, we took our seats, and sat through about an hour of incomprehensible noise--clacking of pots and pans, dissonant chords, multiple radios tuned to different stations--that sort of thing. Finally, for the final performance of the evening, a gentleman donned in black turtleneck, John Lennon glasses, and a long pony tail walks up to a beautiful Yamaha grand piano, sits down on the bench, sets a stopwatch for four minutes, thirty-three seconds, puts his hands on his lap, and waits perfectly still and silent, never the touching the keys.

So my friend and I, teenage idiots that we were, start to chuckle a little because, well, we thought this was rather silly. We chuckled quietly at first, but we fed off each other's laughter and we started to lose control. We tried to subdue our laughter, we tried burying our faces in our coats, but there was no stopping it. Before long, other audience members started to laugh, some others sneered at us, and the pony-tailed man was giving us some serious stink-eye. A few more seconds passed, and our giggling had crescendoed into uproarious, uncontrollable, hysterical laughter, and we were feeling pretty embarrassed. Every single person in the auditorium was looking at us.

It was clear by then that the situation had gotten totally out of hand, and there was no possibility of getting things back under control, so we gave each other a nod and broke for the exit. Once outside, we both collapsed on the ground breathless and with tears streaming down our faces from laughing so hard.

I can't imagine a better way to experience John Cage: 4'33" for the first time.
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I don't understand the stinkeye you got. That laughter was just part of the soundscape. I'd rather hear that then the numbskulls who have to clear their throat every two seconds no matter what they're listening to.
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Re: John Cage: 4'33"

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:12 pm

hadespussercats wrote:
Seabass wrote:Back in my college days, during my freshman year, I enrolled in a music history class. One of our assignments was to attend six concerts of our choosing, and submit reports on them by the end of the quarter. One of the concerts I decided to attend was an experimental music concert to be performed in one of the auditoriums on campus. I invited a musician friend of mine, as I figured it could be something he might enjoy.

So the night of the concert, we took our seats, and sat through about an hour of incomprehensible noise--clacking of pots and pans, dissonant chords, multiple radios tuned to different stations--that sort of thing. Finally, for the final performance of the evening, a gentleman donned in black turtleneck, John Lennon glasses, and a long pony tail walks up to a beautiful Yamaha grand piano, sits down on the bench, sets a stopwatch for four minutes, thirty-three seconds, puts his hands on his lap, and waits perfectly still and silent, never the touching the keys.

So my friend and I, teenage idiots that we were, start to chuckle a little because, well, we thought this was rather silly. We chuckled quietly at first, but we fed off each other's laughter and we started to lose control. We tried to subdue our laughter, we tried burying our faces in our coats, but there was no stopping it. Before long, other audience members started to laugh, some others sneered at us, and the pony-tailed man was giving us some serious stink-eye. A few more seconds passed, and our giggling had crescendoed into uproarious, uncontrollable, hysterical laughter, and we were feeling pretty embarrassed. Every single person in the auditorium was looking at us.

It was clear by then that the situation had gotten totally out of hand, and there was no possibility of getting things back under control, so we gave each other a nod and broke for the exit. Once outside, we both collapsed on the ground breathless and with tears streaming down our faces from laughing so hard.

I can't imagine a better way to experience John Cage: 4'33" for the first time.
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I don't understand the stinkeye you got. That laughter was just part of the soundscape. I'd rather hear that then the numbskulls who have to clear their throat every two seconds no matter what they're listening to.
Or the bastards that insist on going to classical concerts or plays despite their incessant, hacking coughs - just fucking stay home you cunts!!1!! :lay:
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Re: John Cage: 4'33"

Post by hadespussercats » Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:15 pm

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Re: John Cage: 4'33"

Post by FBM » Sun Jan 13, 2013 2:44 pm



This and Cage's 4'33"...Does everyone consider these two to even be music? I can see calling Schulhoff's music...at least there's some percussion...but Cage's? What, silent music?
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