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Re: The Hobbit will be Three Films, not Two

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:57 am

Svartalf wrote:Actually, in FotR, the only part of the cave troll you see is the foot, before Frodo stabs it with Sting and it goes away.
and I find that troll particularly ugly, and not in a successful way, plus the fact that in the original, the mithril shirt guarded frodo from an orc's spear thrust, whiule what happened in the film should have resulted in pureed frodo anyway, so I want to kill whoever designed and handled the troll, plus whoever wrote the scene and approved it (plus I want to slap whoever else participated in it with a week dead flounder for not protesting loud enough that such a scene had to be rewritten)
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Post by Svartalf » Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:07 am

I even had my head shaved because of it.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:17 am

Svartalf wrote:I even had my head shaved because of it.
Well, that explains the nitpicking. :smoke:
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Post by Jason » Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:13 pm

Svartalf wrote:Actually, in FotR, the only part of the cave troll you see is the foot, before Frodo stabs it with Sting and it goes away.
and I find that troll particularly ugly, and not in a successful way
That cave troll looked remarkably similar to the son of one of my friends. I kept that bit to myself, but I always thought 'cave troll' when I saw the kid.

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Svartalf wrote:Actually, in FotR, the only part of the cave troll you see is the foot, before Frodo stabs it with Sting and it goes away.
and I find that troll particularly ugly, and not in a successful way
That cave troll looked remarkably similar to the son of one of my friends. I kept that bit to myself, but I always thought 'cave troll' when I saw the kid.
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Re: The Hobbit will be Three Films, not Two

Post by MiM » Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:40 pm

Did a movie marathon with the family, and watched all of LoTR in two days. Haven't cried as much in a long time. I believe, that much of the problems of the Hobbit, is that Jackson is hyping it up to be on par with LoTR. But it's still based on a children's book. How ever touching that story is, it will never compare with the epic saga that LoTR is.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:41 pm

MiM wrote:Did a movie marathon with the family, and watched all of LoTR in two days. Haven't cried as much in a long time. I believe, that much of the problems of the Hobbit, is that Jackson is hyping it up to be on par with LoTR. But it's still based on a children's book. How ever touching that story is, it will never compare with the epic saga that LoTR is.
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Re: The Hobbit will be Three Films, not Two

Post by tattuchu » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:45 pm

Huh. The LotR movies left me cold. They were nice to look at but didn't engage me in any meaningful way. I felt the same way as I felt when I watched Mel Gibson's snuff film about Jesus, and that was, "Um...okay. And why am I supposed to care about this character exactly?" I didn't have any emotional investment going in, and that unfortunately seemed to be a prerequisite. With The Hobbit, on the other hand, the way the characters were presented made me naturally inclined to care about them. I actually got choked up a fair few times. It's for this reason I feel The Hobbit is a much more successful adaptation.
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tattuchu wrote:Huh. The LotR movies left me cold. They were nice to look at but didn't engage me in any meaningful way. I felt the same way as I felt when I watched Mel Gibson's snuff film about Jesus, and that was, "Um...okay. And why am I supposed to care about this character exactly?" I didn't have any emotional investment going in, and that unfortunately seemed to be a prerequisite. With The Hobbit, on the other hand, the way the characters were presented made me naturally inclined to care about them. I actually got choked up a fair few times. It's for this reason I feel The Hobbit is a much more successful adaptation.
I read the books back in 1969, and have carried certain personal visions of the places and people in the books with me since. Jackson brought them to life on the screen and he matched, and frequently improved on, my own mental pictures.
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tattuchu wrote:Huh. The LotR movies left me cold. They were nice to look at but didn't engage me in any meaningful way. I felt the same way as I felt when I watched Mel Gibson's snuff film about Jesus, and that was, "Um...okay. And why am I supposed to care about this character exactly?" I didn't have any emotional investment going in, and that unfortunately seemed to be a prerequisite. With The Hobbit, on the other hand, the way the characters were presented made me naturally inclined to care about them. I actually got choked up a fair few times. It's for this reason I feel The Hobbit is a much more successful adaptation.
Yes, I saw you write that earlier, and wrote this partly to counteract that. For me it is an utter mystery, how the hobbit can be more touching than LoTR for anyone, but if I remember correctly, you also said you didn't like the books either, so maybe the reason lies down there somewhere...:dunno:

At least we seem to agree on roast duck :drool:, do you like raw fish (I'm, rather with Smeagol on that one ;)
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Re: The Hobbit will be Three Films, not Two

Post by tattuchu » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:25 pm

MiM wrote: Yes, I saw you write that earlier, and wrote this partly to counteract that. For me it is an utter mystery, how the hobbit can be more touching than LoTR for anyone, but if I remember correctly, you also said you didn't like the books either, so maybe the reason lies down there somewhere...:dunno:

At least we seem to agree on roast duck :drool:, do you like raw fish (I'm, rather with Smeagol on that one ;)
Do not like raw fish :(

And it's not that I didn't like the books. I liked them well enough. It's just that I wasn't a huge fan, not big enough a fan that I would enter into watching the LotR films with the emotional investment required to find them moving. And yet for whatever reason, The Hobbit film was for me much more satisfying.

I'm thinking I ought to go back and read the books. It's been many many years since I gave them a look.
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Post by MiM » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:53 pm

The parts that move me most in LoTR (the movie) are those around the Rohirrim. That is where the story moves beyond the "quest" onto the "battle of the earth", and for me it does that in a very heart gripping way.
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Re: The Hobbit will be Three Films, not Two

Post by Svartalf » Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:37 pm

tattuchu wrote:Huh. The LotR movies left me cold. They were nice to look at but didn't engage me in any meaningful way. I felt the same way as I felt when I watched Mel Gibson's snuff film about Jesus, and that was, "Um...okay. And why am I supposed to care about this character exactly?" I didn't have any emotional investment going in, and that unfortunately seemed to be a prerequisite. With The Hobbit, on the other hand, the way the characters were presented made me naturally inclined to care about them. I actually got choked up a fair few times. It's for this reason I feel The Hobbit is a much more successful adaptation.
Interesting, that movie did anything BUT leave me cold. Parts make me want to punish the people responsible, others are just great movie that I can watch again and again nearly every year. I must admit that, purist that I am, some of the tricks jackson used to get around the parts he did not want to include impressed me favorably... I ought to find a weekend soon to get myself a marathon.
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Re: The Hobbit will be Three Films, not Two

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:38 pm

They're just movies. This Cinematic Jihadist attitude confuses me.
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Re: The Hobbit will be Three Films, not Two

Post by Svartalf » Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:43 pm

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