27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

[Jason]

New Zealand has 22.6 guns per 100 citizens. :O

[Jason]

Afghanistan has 4.6

[Blind groper]

On American gun ownership.

88 guns per 100 citizens.

However, only 30% own guns. The thing is that gun owners tend to be multiple gun owners. If guns had a legitimate use, you would expect one, or at most, two, guns per owner. A hunting rifle or a shotgun. But the minority of american who are gun owners tend to own multiple guns.

According to several of the internet references I have read, most Americans actually do not care for guns, and are opposed to loose gun laws. The minority is, however, very vocal, and acts as a voting bloc to oppose the wishes of the majority.

[macdoc]

How about the real issue which is number of hand guns.
Including shotguns and non- assault rifles owned by those that have a legitimate use for them is just a fav trick to disguise the issues.

[Seth]

On American gun ownership.

88 guns per 100 citizens.

However, only 30% own guns. The thing is that gun owners tend to be multiple gun owners. If guns had a legitimate use, you would expect one, or at most, two, guns per owner. A hunting rifle or a shotgun. But the minority of american who are gun owners tend to own multiple guns.

According to several of the internet references I have read, most Americans actually do not care for guns, and are opposed to loose gun laws. The minority is, however, very vocal, and acts as a voting bloc to oppose the wishes of the majority.

Indeed. But the majority does not have the power to infringe upon or remove the rights of the minority by tyranny of the majority vote. Our system is specifically set up that way as it pertains to constitutional rights. To remove the right to keep and bear arms would require submitting an amendment brought by a two-thirds majority of the House and Senate which is then sent for ratification by three-fourths of the state legislatures, or two-thirds of the states can call a constitutional convention to propose an amendment which is then submitted for ratification by three-fourths of the states.

So, one-third (and I think it's closer to one-half) of the public who own guns, combined with those who don't own guns but still support the RKBA and the 2nd Amendment, can indeed block the rest from taking away that right. That's how it's set up here.

We are NOT a democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic that uses some limited democratic processes in passing laws. The Founders expressly set things up to AVOID the US becoming a democracy because they knew better than you do that democracy is nothing more or less than the tyranny of the majority.

[Seth]

Wait till the supreme court makes you form a militia, Seth. You can have the hunting gear but anything specifically intended for killing masses of people will go thru your militia. With a locked armoury. And rules.

Sorry, that ship already sailed. The Supreme Court, in Heller, ruled that the RKBA is an INDIVIDUAL right not predicated on membership in the militia and that self defense is one of the prime purposes of preserving the RKBA. The efficacy of the militia and its preparation for being called to duty by Congress is one of the OTHER intents of the 2nd Amendment, but not the only one.

[Seth]

That we haven't already done this is our national shame.

That people like you and mozg exist is your national shame.

Gotta agree with that!

Fuck you too, bitch.

Wow, you and Gallstones really are alike. Pretty sad, actually. You seem like an intelligent man, and 'fuck you, bitch' is all you can come up with? Looks like this discussion is getting to you.

Nah, I just felt like insulting you back. That's what I do when bitches deliberately insult me first. It's my way of saying "fuck you, bitch" to ignorant bitches.

I don't invest much time, much less emotion arguing with dumb bitches because they are stupid worthless whores and cunts who have nothing interesting or intelligent to say and ought to be kept pregnant and wrapped up in a big black bag and whipped soundly when they have the temerity to speak.

Of course no one but an ignorant whore bitch would think that I am referring to all women, most of whom are fine, respectable, polite, worthy, capable, and entirely the equal of any man... like Gallstones for example. I'm just referring to the ignorant bitches.

So, which are you...ignorant cuntish bitch whore or respectable and honorable woman and human being?

I'd really like to know because you sound very much like a bitch.

Just because you think you can get away with deliberately insulting me without any repercussions doesn't mean it's true.

[Jason]

Gallstones who, for reasons unknown to me, actually likes you and thinks you're a decent person.

[Kristie]

Well, everyone else is getting away with deliberate insults, so I may as well join in the fun.
You can think whatever you want of me. The opinion of someone like you is worthless to me.

[Seth]

Look another gun nutter trying desperately to defend a weapon designed for combat purposes only by comparing it to fully-automatic weapons of World War II. Incidentally, the MP44, MP38, MG42, and more, all included pistol grips in their design. Moron.

Indeed they did, but I'm not the moron here, you are. The AR-15 is a semi-automatic look-alike of the fully-automatic military assault rifle, the M-16. It merely looks like one, it does not function like one. One trigger pull, one round fired. Every semi-automatic weapon on earth functions the same way.

No they don't. As a trained police officer you should know better. There are different designs for cycling rounds, but yes they all fire bullets. The AR-15 is a weapons system, it was designed as such, when outfitted for close quarters combat (like the one I posted a pic of) it becomes a much more lethal weapon in that situation than a rancher mini 14. It's all about the ergonomics (which have fuck all to do with comfort).

Ignorant pettifoggery. As I specifically said, all semi-automatic firearms operate the same way, one trigger pull, one round fired. How exactly they load the round and set off the primer is utterly irrelevant. And no, an AR-15 is no more or less "lethal" than a Mini-14 merely because it has ergonomic features the Mini-14 doesn't. In these sorts of attacks any semi-automatic firearm that can be fired at close range will do the job equally as well, including semi-automatic handguns, which being of larger caliber are probably MORE lethal than the .223 round. A .45 is much more deadly than a .223/5.56mm NATO round because that round is primarily intended to WOUND an enemy combatant, not necessarily kill him. This is because wounding an enemy soldier ties up at least two other soldiers to care for and evacuate him, as opposed to a dead soldier who can simply be abandoned. That's why the Geneva Accords require that military forces ONLY use full-metal jacket ammunition. Expanding ammunition is unlawful under the Laws of War.

Moron.

You certainly are.

To hell with your 2nd amendment. It's a critical failure of the American system and a total anachronism.

Fortunately, our political system doesn't give a flying fuck what you or your ilk think, and it's expressly designed to prevent you and your ilk from infringing upon our rights.

[/quote]

They're not rights, and you should not have them.

They are rights, and I do have them, so who cares what you think?

[Seth]

Well, everyone else is getting away with deliberate insults, so I may as well join in the fun.
You can think whatever you want of me. The opinion of someone like you is worthless to me.

Same here.

[Jason]

Look another gun nutter trying desperately to defend a weapon designed for combat purposes only by comparing it to fully-automatic weapons of World War II. Incidentally, the MP44, MP38, MG42, and more, all included pistol grips in their design. Moron.

Indeed they did, but I'm not the moron here, you are. The AR-15 is a semi-automatic look-alike of the fully-automatic military assault rifle, the M-16. It merely looks like one, it does not function like one. One trigger pull, one round fired. Every semi-automatic weapon on earth functions the same way.

No they don't. As a trained police officer you should know better. There are different designs for cycling rounds, but yes they all fire bullets. The AR-15 is a weapons system, it was designed as such, when outfitted for close quarters combat (like the one I posted a pic of) it becomes a much more lethal weapon in that situation than a rancher mini 14. It's all about the ergonomics (which have fuck all to do with comfort).

Ignorant pettifoggery. As I specifically said, all semi-automatic firearms operate the same way, one trigger pull, one round fired. How exactly they load the round and set off the primer is utterly irrelevant. And no, an AR-15 is no more or less "lethal" than a Mini-14 merely because it has ergonomic features the Mini-14 doesn't. In these sorts of attacks any semi-automatic firearm that can be fired at close range will do the job equally as well, including semi-automatic handguns, which being of larger caliber are probably MORE lethal than the .223 round.

Moron.

[Gallstones]

So, everybody should be armed at all times. It would make for some interesting flash crowds. You can keep your gun worship in the States then. We'll see you in the news. You did say before that a few mass murders should not hinder you from gun ownership. Seth said anyone is allowed to carry until proven insane. Gallstones worships Seth. What a fucking trio.

How dare you make ups lies about me.

[Gallstones]

No thanks. I'm an American, and as such I am not required to agree with or like current legislation. Nor do I have to leave the country if I advocate a different regulatory scheme. If you don't like that, you are welcome to leave.

Advocate anything you want, just understand that no, 'we' don't all agree with what you want. I don't necessarily agree with or like the current legislation, either, which is why I am an active participant in efforts to lobby for changes in it that will make my life as a lawful firearms owner more pleasant, not less.

I would never suggest that everyone agrees with anything. I phrased my inquiry in the form of a question.

If you don't necessarily agree with current legislation, why don't you take your own advice and leave the country?

Can't this same advice be followed by everyone else who doesn't like the current status quo?
Don't like the gun laws here--move to where they have the kind you like.

Or stay and try to change them where you are.

[Kristie]

Well, everyone else is getting away with deliberate insults, so I may as well join in the fun.
You can think whatever you want of me. The opinion of someone like you is worthless to me.

Same here.

No. Don't ever compare yourself with me. I have made one insulting post like that, ever! And, it was nothing compared to what you and Gallstones do on a regular basis.