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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by hadespussercats » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:51 pm

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Gallstones, this post contains a personal attack on another member. This is a reminder that personal attacks are against forum rules. Repeated rule violations will result in a warning and, if continued, possible temporary suspension(s). Please refrain from addressing fellow forum members in personally derogatory terms, and focus on the ideas instead. Thank you.
You are quite correct and I apologise to J of N. I should of course have described J of N's post as a clear example of dumb fuckery.
aspire 1670, your post is a clear example of ignoring our forum rules, particularly the injunction to play nice. This post is a warning from the staff to refrain from such behavior in future posts, or you may be subject to a suspension.
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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by macdoc » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:00 pm

Seth's usual fuckups - trying to create a world that doesn't exist
Gun owners in Israel are limited to owning one pistol, and must undergo extensive mental and physical tests before they can receive a weapon, and gun owners are limited to 50 rounds of ammunition per year.

Not all Israelis, however, may own guns. In order to own a pistol, an Israeli must for two years have been either a captain in the army or a former lieutenant colonel. Israelis with an equivalent rank in other security organizations may also own a pistol.
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even the NRA has enough common sense to know when so shut the fuck up.....you don't. :nono:

Let's see what happened in Britain
After a couple of horrible mass shootings in Britain, handguns and automatic weapons have been effectively banned. It is possible to own shotguns, and rifles if you can demonstrate to the police that you have a good reason to own one, such as target shooting at a gun club, or deer stalking, say. The firearms-ownership rules are onerous, involving hours of paperwork. You must provide a referee who has to answer nosy questions about the applicant's mental state, home life (including family or domestic tensions) and their attitude towards guns. In addition to criminal-record checks, the police talk to applicants’ family doctors and ask about any histories of alcohol or drug abuse or personality disorders.

Vitally, it is also very hard to get hold of ammunition. Just before leaving Britain in the summer, I had lunch with a member of parliament whose constituency is plagued with gang violence and drug gangs. She told me of a shooting, and how it had not led to a death, because the gang had had to make its own bullets, which did not work well, and how this was very common, according to her local police commander. Even hardened criminals willing to pay for a handgun in Britain are often getting only an illegally modified starter’s pistol turned into a single-shot weapon.

And, to be crude, having few guns does mean that few people get shot. In 2008-2009, there were 39 fatal injuries from crimes involving firearms in England and Wales, with a population about one sixth the size of America’s. In America, there were 12,000 gun-related homicides in 2008.
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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by amused » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:06 pm

The solution to a disease is not more disease.

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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:08 pm

amused wrote:The solution to a disease is not more disease.
How do vaccinations work, then? :pop:
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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by Ian » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:24 pm

No pro-gun Senators were willing to come on Meet The Press today.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/1 ... 11559.html

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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by hadespussercats » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:37 pm

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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by Jason » Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:06 pm

This thread has descended into a clusterfuck of idiotic invective in the midst of a lot of failure of logic that isn't even worth addressing. Piss on it.

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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by cronus » Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:09 pm

Făkünamę wrote:This thread has descended into a clusterfuck of idiotic invective in the midst of a lot of failure of logic that isn't even worth addressing. Piss on it.

A well considered piss - as I rarely piss on things.
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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:40 pm

JacksSmirkingRevenge wrote:
amused wrote:The solution to a disease is not more disease.
How do vaccinations work, then? :pop:
They use deactivated pathogens - or similar but innocuous pathogens that can confer immunity.

So the corrollary to guns would be to issue those that want to own a gun with either deactivated guns or low-power air pistols. :tea:
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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by Jason » Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:50 pm

Actually the solution to disease is more disease and let evolution do its magic shit. If the species is wiped out, nyah nyah.. sorry but it didn't have what it takes to survive.

So fuck all that gun control shit, return to nature red tooth and claw! Bring it on Darwin you little bitch! Yeah!


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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by Blind groper » Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:55 pm

Actually, the key to human success in a world of ruthless evolutionary weeding out, in spite of the fact that we have no strength, claws, speed or sharp teeth, is a combination of technology and social cooperation.

The latter requires that human societies create appropriate rules and people adhere to those rules. This discussion is about such rules.
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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by Jason » Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:00 pm

Fuck that. We don't need those rules, we only think we do because we've become accustomed to them.

Lock and load and let's do some natural selecting motherfuckers! HOOO AAAAH! :wumbo:

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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by Blind groper » Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:02 pm

Faku

I know you are joking, but I am sure you realise that societies where that attitude prevailed are now ex-societies.
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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by Jason » Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:04 pm

Who said anything about keeping society? It's a dog eat dog world, and I've got a bigger gun than you.

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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by Seth » Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:29 pm

Ian wrote:
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Kristie wrote:No armed cops or metal detectors at my high school (96-2000) or at the high school my daughter will go to.
So, you DON'T care if your daughter is slaughtered like an animal by some deranged gunman. Very illuminating.
Why bother posting things like this? Trying to convince us that you're an enlightened, rational one? You only make yourself sound like a callous jerk. And not a very intelligent one at that.

Go hide in your bunker and rant about those Marxists or something.
No, I'll continue to make my point using whatever controversial language is required. For someone to say, in a thread about a deadly attack on schoolchildren, that she's determined to send her daughter to a school that DOES NOT have adequate protections in place to keep deranged shooters out of the school is a classic example of liberal hoplophobe head-in-the-sand denial that got all those poor kids killed in Connecticut.

From the latest reports it appears that the killer gained entry to the building by smashing out a window so he could unlock the door. While the UNARMED principal bravely tried to physically attack him and stop him, which is one of the bravest things I've heard of lately, the question still remains as to why and how the killer was able to gain entry simply by breaking a window.

Now, if the principal had been equipped with a shotgun and a semi-automatic rifle in a locker in her office, combined with a bullet-proof partition facing on the hallway facing the front doors, and there had been a quick-closing set of barriers that could be slammed shut with the push of a button in the office that would contain the shooter and prevent access to the classroom wings, then she might have had a chance to shoot it out with the killer, or at least slam and lock the bullet-proof office door and lock the shooter out of the rest of the school until police arrived.

Instead, just like Columbine, the principal and staff were forced by the law, and by poor security design, to try to take on an armed assailant bare-handed, just as the teachers at Columbine tried to use fire extinguishers as weapons to protect the kids.

They died as heroes, doing the very best they could with the tools they were allowed, but they died because people like you aren't smart enough to understand the threat, much less opine on how to properly react to it and mitigate it.

No security foyer barrier glass should be anything but ballistic-rated glass, and the doors and walls should be heavy-duty ballistic-rated material, and the doors should be designed so that they can be electrically deadbolted (both inner and outer) to create a bullet-proof man-trap with the push of a panic button in the office.

So it appears that what happened here was gross negligence on the part of the school board in not taking security and the threat of a school shooter seriously enough, and considering cost and "appearance" over student safety in upgrading the school's entryway.

This is not in the least bit uncommon, because educators don't want to think about these sorts of things, and school boards don't want to spend the money it takes to hire professional security engineers and designers, and the costs involved in making schools truly secure.

As I said, if Obama wants to do something meaningful to prevent this sort of thing, he'll divert all that Race to the Trough money he's been spending trying to coerce school districts and states into signing on to federal educational mandates (universal Marxist indoctrination curricula) and he'll use the facilities of the Department of Defense and Homeland Security to create construction and renovation guidelines for all schools, and direct federal consultation by federal experts in actually performing the work to harden every schoolhouse in America to a minimum standard that will actually keep a deranged gunman from gaining access to the halls...and he'll pay for it all out of federal education money.

That would be a real and meaningful response to this slaughter. But he won't. He'll instead dance on the graves of the children while enacting regulations that will be utterly useless in preventing school shootings that are intended only to forward his Marxist anti-gun agenda and his attempts to disarm law abiding Americans.

Because he doesn't care about schoolchildren, he cares about his Progressive Marxist agenda, and to get that into place he FIRST has to figure out how to disarm the citizenry. To him, those children are martyrs to the Progressive Marxist cause.
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