Make big companies pay tax? A joke.

[Seth]

You really don't understand economics, do you?

Seth, I'd say you're a backwoods fuckwit with a fifth grader's understanding of the subject if I didn't know you are just a nefarious little troll.

Which merely confirms your lack of knowledge and understanding of basic economics.

[Jason]

Trolololol.

[Seth]

Trolololol.

And again no substantive response, just evasion and obfuscation.

[Jason]

[devogue]

Tax it too heavily and it won't come at all, neither will anything else.

Good.

Let "it" stay the fuck away, and allow small, local, community-based businesses who pay their fair share of tax (no major off shore schemes for small cafes are there?) enjoy the business that would otherwise be created for the fucking vampires who hose wealth out of countries in to their clever swag bags.

The "heavy" tax already exists for the small community based business - it's called normal taxation, and while they moan about it there are a huge amount of thriving small businesses. Slap that "normality" on to the multi-national businesses and see how they get on - if they can't work on a level playing field let them die.

It's not about denying competition, it's actually about creating it.

[Seth]

Tax it too heavily and it won't come at all, neither will anything else.

Good.

Let "it" stay the fuck away, and allow small, local, community-based businesses who pay their fair share of tax (no major off shore schemes for small cafes are there?) enjoy the business that would otherwise be created for the fucking vampires who hose wealth out of countries in to their clever swag bags.

Fine by me if you become an economic backwater.

The "heavy" tax already exists for the small community based business - it's called normal taxation, and while they moan about it there are a huge amount of thriving small businesses. Slap that "normality" on to the multi-national businesses and see how they get on - if they can't work on a level playing field let them die.

Again, if tax breaks exist, anyone who qualifies can take advantage of them. If you don't like the qualifications, talk to your legislators about it and quit blaming companies from taking advantage of favorable tax law duly passed by those same legislators.

It's not about denying competition, it's actually about creating it.

Hardly.

[JimC]

Pord, this post: http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 4#p1331934

is a personal attack on another member, in breach of our rules: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3449

This is a reminder to avoid such attacks in future.

[Jason]

Calling him a nefarious little troll is a personal attack? Bullshit. He has 'Zen Troll' in his signature and as his title.

[JimC]

Calling him a nefarious little troll is a personal attack? Bullshit. He has 'Zen Troll' in his signature and as his title.

Twas the first part of the post... "If" statements don't count when deciding whether a post contains a PA...

[Jason]

Horseshit. I'm the whipping boy who gets to show that people who make 'personal attacks' against Seth get warnings too.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Horseshit. I'm the whipping boy who gets to show that people who make 'personal attacks' against Seth get warnings too.

No. You're just somebody that posted a clear, unprovoked, personal attack on another member. It matters not a jot who an attack is directed at, unless it is obviously in jest, it warrants staff action; and there was nothing joking about your post. Kindly don't repeat it.

[pErvinalia]

Our chancellor today announced £70 million for a program to make big companies actually pay the level of corporation tax that they should. They claim that this £70m will bring in about £2.4 billion.

1) So they admit the've done fuck-all up to now.

2) In that case, spend £140m and bring in £4.8 billion. Or more for more.

Fuck Starbucks and Google and ebay. This country can function fine without them.

I suppose it all depends if your goal is to see the greater good for the greater number, or whether you just want to "screw the corporations."

Sure, we can all get along without Starbucks and google and ebay, and Philips and Sony, and General Motors and BMW, and rock n roll, and fiction writing. So, fuck 'em all.

They won't go anywhere. It's one of the great furphy's of economic conservatives.

[Calilasseia]

Oh look, it's another tiresome excursion into Randroid fantasy land on the part of Seth. Quelle fucking surprise.

Such as that hilarious line about Obama being a "Marxist". Which is Seth's favourite knee-jerk epithet for everything he doesn't like, without actually thinking about what the word "Marxist" means, Well, some of us have actually read Das Kapital, and as a corollary, understand that one of the central aspects of Marxist doctrine, is that little bit about taking control of the means of production. Does Obama want to do this? Er, no. All he wants is for those currently controlling the means of production to exhibit something akin to decent, civilised and humane behaviour, instead of behaving like rapacious and piratical brigands. But then, once again, in SethWorldTM, wanting this is purportedly "Marxist".

As for not understanding economics, which is more likely to increase the prosperity of a nation, I ask? Letting the big boys siphon billions out of the country and park them in offshore tax havens, where those billions are doing nothing but accruing interest for a few lucky fat cats, or harnessing, via the taxation system, those same billions for the purpose of building new infrastructure, such as schools and hospitals, which will result in a better educated and healthier populace, able to seek high-value skilled employment, and as a corollary, become higher-spending consumers? Infrastructure that those same fat cats are unwilling to spend a penny on themselves, but make use of the moment public finances are deployed to create them, in a blatant act of parasitism.

Indeed, the Randroid myth that fat cat billionaires somehow magically got to the top of the greasy pole courtesy of nothing but their own efforts, is again a myth. Those fat cats enjoyed an education paid for by taxation, in order to learn how to do things, they enjoyed roads and other infrastructure features paid for again by taxation, here in Europe they enjoyed the benefits of a healthcare system that didn't require them to whip out their credit cards for treatment when they needed it, and here in Europe they enjoyed public funding of major utilities, none of which they were prepared to spend a penny on themselves because they couldn't see a way of turning those utilities into infinitely milkable cash cows. Furthermore, the only reason their activities are subject to legislation, is because time and again, they've demonstrated that they can't be trusted to behave themselves without said legislation in place. Charles Dickens had a few words to say on that subject. Without legislation, these people would be cutting lethal corners in order to bulk up their bank balances, dumping toxic wastes into drinking water supplies, pressing untrained and inexperienced (and therefore cheap) labour into service in dangerous factories with unguarded machinery, paying sweatshop rates to the people who make their riches possible, whilst awarding themselves gigantic "bonuses" and other perks, and generally behaving in the all too well documented manner of the "fuck you" plutocrat. We know this because they've been caught doing it time and time again whenever the opportunity has arisen. The honourable exceptions are all the more notable precisely because they are exceptions, people such as Josiah Salt in Bradford, who saw the value of using his riches to build a proper community and give something back to the people who made his wealth possible. Unfortunately, the "tread on the plebs" mentality is alive and well in boardrooms right across the corporosphere, and the idea of exercising some restraint in the name of common humanity is anathema to these people, which is why legislation exists to stop them from pushing their avarice to criminal levels. A lesson you might one day learn the hard way, Seth, if you find that one of your beloved corporations has shit on you from on high by contaminating your environment with blue asbestos.

[JimC]

^^^^^^^^^^^

[Seth]

Calling him a nefarious little troll is a personal attack? Bullshit. He has 'Zen Troll' in his signature and as his title.

Then you may properly call me a "Grandmaster Zen Troll," not a "nefarious little troll."