Guns used for lawful self defense

[Kristie]

I think this hostility to the United Nations by less enlightened Americans is very sad. The UN is, of course, an imperfect mechanism, but it still has the potential to do a great deal of good in the world. It has no military power, of course, and its members act so as to keep things that way. As a result, when the United States acts to sabotage its good works, it cannot act effectively. Very sad.

"Less enlightened"
Fuck your passive aggressive backhand elitist ridicule.

The US is not like the rest of you. We think and do things differently--we don't want to be like you, we expect you to be like us or fuck off.

Just wanted to mention that as a member of the US, I do not endorse this message.

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What? All Americans have to agree with you? You didnt say 'I' or 'me' you said 'the US' and 'we'. Just wanted to make sure non-Americans knew you did not represent us all.

[Kristie]

So Kristie, what about the different standards, staff allowing Blind groper to post insult after insult with no mod action, while suspending Seth for in kind?

Seth is a self-proclaimed troll. He gets no benefit of the doubt. I have full confidence in the staff here. And, I missed the personal insults he posted. I did see a few slight ones aimed at groups of people, but I'm pretty sure it has to be a direct personal insult to count as an ad hom here.

[FBM]

Well, Bg hasn't to my knowledge posted anything resembling, 'You're a fucking x" or similar, clear-cut personal attacks.

[Seth]

Seth engages in activity that some people call trolling. He may or may not actually hold the views that he argues but that won't stop him defending those views passionately. Sometimes I think he just loves a good sparring match for its own sake.

Sometimes you THINK that? Sheesh. Go back and read my welcome thread for Christ's sake. That's EXACTLY why I participate here. The important thing is the journey towards enlightenment, not whether one wins or loses a debate. I'm an interlocutor, a provocateur, a speaker of uncomfortable truths, a no-compromise demander of razor-sharp reason and logic. I've been doing it this way for at least 20 years now, and it's quite effective in producing a "good sparring match" and an interesting intellectual challenge for me, even if some of the dimwits on the other end don't have a fucking clue.

We do not, at this time, have a policy about appraisals of poster's mental health, but to be on the safe side and make the mod's lives easier, it might be a good idea to stick to attacking content and let the reader draw their own conclusions about the poster's state of mind.

Indeed. Problem is that they have no rational rebuttal to the content and therefore are forced to resort to ad hom due to their lack of intellectual ability, rhetorical strength, and ideological foundation. It's an old, old pattern of behavior that I've been toying with for two decades now, and it never changes.

[Seth]

You can't just claim it's ok to insult people because they're wrong, or have what is in your view the wrong opinion.

I have never done that.

Liar.

[Blind groper]

Problem is that they have no rational rebuttal to the content

Seth

I have probably posted more factual content relevant to the topic than every other poster put together. References, statistics, and expert opinion. Every point you have made that seems relevant and factual, I have rebutted. Of course, I ignore the mere opinion.

The latest rebuttal I posted is the study by Dr. Hemenway to rebut your 2.5 million illusion.

[Seth]

Problem is that they have no rational rebuttal to the content

Seth

I have probably posted more factual content relevant to the topic than every other poster put together.

Horseshit. You have presented almost no factual content at all. The only factual content you have provided, and even that's suspect, are the raw numbers of homicides and suicides. That's it. Everything else is opinion and hoplophobe propaganda.

References, statistics, and expert opinion.

"There are lies, damned lies, and then there are statistics." Mark Twain. And your "experts" are universally hoplophobe anti-gunners with an agenda and opinions that are completely unreliable.

Every point you have made that seems relevant and factual, I have rebutted. Of course, I ignore the mere opinion.

Liar. You ignore everything doesn't fit into your twisted little world-view and ideological bias.

The latest rebuttal I posted is the study by Dr. Hemenway to rebut your 2.5 million illusion.

Hemenway is an ignorant hoplophobe boob with an anti-gun bias and personal agenda as is the Harvard group that pontificates on the subject every so often, and everybody knows it.

[Blind groper]

Hemenway is an ignorant hoplophobe boob with an anti-gun bias and personal agenda as is the Harvard group that pontificates on the subject every so often, and everybody knows it.

Hemenway is actually a highly regarded expert in his field working for Harvard University and publishing in reputable peer reviewed journals.

What you really mean, Seth, is that any reference that you do not like, you will wave away with unsupported assertions and personal opinion. With that attitude, I really cannot take anything you say seriously.

As I have said before, this attitude is religious in nature. It is taken on blind faith, and any contrary evidence is considered as blasphemy to be rejected without thought. I might just as well go onto a religious forum and argue that Jesus was just a man. The responses I get will be just as intelligent.

[Robert_S]

Seth engages in activity that some people call trolling. He may or may not actually hold the views that he argues but that won't stop him defending those views passionately. Sometimes I think he just loves a good sparring match for its own sake.

Sometimes you THINK that? Sheesh. Go back and read my welcome thread for Christ's sake. That's EXACTLY why I participate here.

I know that's what you said, but you could have been saying it just to be contentious.

We do not, at this time, have a policy about appraisals of poster's mental health, but to be on the safe side and make the mod's lives easier, it might be a good idea to stick to attacking content and let the reader draw their own conclusions about the poster's state of mind.

Indeed. Problem is that they have no rational rebuttal to the content and therefore are forced to resort to ad hom due to their lack of intellectual ability, rhetorical strength, and ideological foundation. It's an old, old pattern of behavior that I've been toying with for two decades now, and it never changes.

Hoplophobes are like that ya know. :rolleyes:

Careful what you wish for Seth.

[MrJonno]

Hoplophobes are like that ya know. :rolleyes:

Is there a word for an irrational fear of your neighbour possessing nerve gas, if not can we make one ?

[JimC]

Folks, tempers are getting frayed here; it's time for all participants to treat others with opposing views with a little more respect. This is a general reminder of our Play Nice rule:

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3449

[Robert_S]

Hoplophobes are like that ya know. :rolleyes:

Is there a word for an irrational fear of your neighbour possessing nerve gas, if not can we make one ?

You mean such an irrational fear of your neighbour, or the nation with the leader you don't much like, possessing the wrong kind of weapon that you're willing in send in people to take it by force whether it's there or not?

Neoconservative.

[amused]

Meh, the bigger/more guns, the smaller the penis of the owner.

FACT

[Kristie]

Meh, the bigger/more guns, the smaller the penis of the owner.

FACT

I would love to see an actualy study on this.

[Robert_S]

Meh, the bigger/more guns, the smaller the penis of the owner.

FACT

I would love to see an actualy study on this.

Kristie, you don't own a gun at all right?