How is this shit possible? Woman refused abortion, dies

[Seth]

Guess she should have stayed in Pakistan or whatever shithole 'stan she came from. I'm sure she could have gotten an abortion on demand there...

She's Indian you fucking ignorant buffoon.

Oh, right, Indian...and abortion on demand is available there I'm sure...that explains their overpopulation problem how, exactly? Sorry it's not a 'stan exactly, but it's still a shithole where the same thing would have happened to her.

So, she came to Ireland...why exactly? Did she bother to read the abortion laws before she came over? Evidently not, or she would have known what the rules are in Ireland.

If you don't like Irish abortion laws, then change them or leave, or don't come there in the first place.

Of course it'd be nice to know if the septicemia was the result of the delayed abortion or perhaps a CONSEQUENCE of a botched abortion done by a government-paid sub-qualified doctor. She did, after all, "die later," indicating that there may have been complications with the abortion, something that is fairly common but almost never reported by the press, particularly where it might implicate incompetence on the part of government doctors.

In any event, it looks like the inferior socialized medicine in Ireland has failed to provide adequate and timely care...again...just like socialized medicine too often does.

Maybe she should have emigrated to the U.S., where abortion IS available on demand in most states and the quality of health care is the highest and most advanced in the world.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Guess she should have stayed in Pakistan or whatever shithole 'stan she came from. I'm sure she could have gotten an abortion on demand there...

She's Indian you fucking ignorant buffoon.

Forgive the ignorant fuck, he's puffing on his own pecker a lot these days.

[Animavore]

Guess she should have stayed in Pakistan or whatever shithole 'stan she came from. I'm sure she could have gotten an abortion on demand there...

She's Indian you fucking ignorant buffoon.

Oh, right, Indian...and abortion on demand is available there I'm sure...that explains their overpopulation problem how, exactly? Sorry it's not a 'stan exactly, but it's still a shithole where the same thing would have happened to her.

So, she came to Ireland...why exactly? Did she bother to read the abortion laws before she came over? Evidently not, or she would have known what the rules are in Ireland.

If you don't like Irish abortion laws, then change them or leave, or don't come there in the first place.

Of course it'd be nice to know if the septicemia was the result of the delayed abortion or perhaps a CONSEQUENCE of a botched abortion done by a government-paid sub-qualified doctor. She did, after all, "die later," indicating that there may have been complications with the abortion, something that is fairly common but almost never reported by the press, particularly where it might implicate incompetence on the part of government doctors.

In any event, it looks like the inferior socialized medicine in Ireland has failed to provide adequate and timely care...again...just like socialized medicine too often does.

Maybe she should have emigrated to the U.S., where abortion IS available on demand in most states and the quality of health care is the highest and most advanced in the world.

How do you know she wasn't born in Ireland? Your post rings of Fox News viewer xenophobia.

Also, what was she doing here? She was a dentist.

Now keep your fucking inhumane and disgusting comments to yourself.

[Seth]

Guess she should have stayed in Pakistan or whatever shithole 'stan she came from. I'm sure she could have gotten an abortion on demand there...

She's Indian you fucking ignorant buffoon.

Oh, right, Indian...and abortion on demand is available there I'm sure...that explains their overpopulation problem how, exactly? Sorry it's not a 'stan exactly, but it's still a shithole where the same thing would have happened to her.

So, she came to Ireland...why exactly? Did she bother to read the abortion laws before she came over? Evidently not, or she would have known what the rules are in Ireland.

If you don't like Irish abortion laws, then change them or leave, or don't come there in the first place.

Of course it'd be nice to know if the septicemia was the result of the delayed abortion or perhaps a CONSEQUENCE of a botched abortion done by a government-paid sub-qualified doctor. She did, after all, "die later," indicating that there may have been complications with the abortion, something that is fairly common but almost never reported by the press, particularly where it might implicate incompetence on the part of government doctors.

In any event, it looks like the inferior socialized medicine in Ireland has failed to provide adequate and timely care...again...just like socialized medicine too often does.

Maybe she should have emigrated to the U.S., where abortion IS available on demand in most states and the quality of health care is the highest and most advanced in the world.

How do you know she wasn't born in Ireland? Your post rings of Fox News viewer xenophobia.

Then she should have known better.

Also, what was she doing here? She was a dentist.

Now keep your fucking inhumane and disgusting comments to yourself.

Fuck you, asshole, I'll say what I want and continue to point out that she died of socialized medicine and that she could have gotten an abortion on demand in the U.S. any time it pleased her to do so, probably for free in an ER just about anywhere in the country.

You are misconstruing the thrust of my comments, I'm pointing out how inferior socialized medicine is and how it victimized this woman, who would have been no better off in India and might as well have stayed there.

But you make a valid point that she could be of Indian descent and be an Irish native, which just makes it all the worse.

[Animavore]

You do know in Ireland it is legal to give a abortion in cases where the woman is pregnant? This has nothing to do with "socialised medicine" and everything to do with religious fuckwittery.

But you go ahead and keep running off your same old, tired and right-wing, Fox News, paranoid, sheeple rhetoric about how socialised medicine is destroying the World.

[Animavore]

The abortion issue is one of the most contentious issues facing the Government, with Labour and Fine Gael TD split down the middle.

Former Junior Health Minister Roisin Shortall, who resigned in September, has called for an independent inquiry into the tragedy.

"I think there is a need for the Government to appoint somebody outside the hospital to investigate this case," she told the Herald.

"This is an appalling tragedy that has arisen as a result of a lack of clarity on what hospital staff can and cannot do in these situations.

"Essentially government legislation has been avoided for over 20 years, and I hope this Government is the one that will bring clarity and legislation and follow the advice of the expert group," she said.

The reason the abortion issue is "contentious" is because of the Catholic Church and the noise they'll make. Also, of course, the damage (real or perceived) it'll do to the politicians' votes and support if they support it, due to the malign influence of said Church.

"This event is horrendous and will shock people the length and breadth of the country," said Socialist Party TD Clare Daly. "This is an outrage which demands immediate action.

At least Clare Daly from the Socialist Party has the balls to speak out

http://www.herald.ie/news/shock-grief-a ... 94061.html

But go ahead and believe "socialist medicine" is responsible for our laws or bad decisions made by hospitals whose consultants believe "This is a Catholic country".

Did you even read the original article in the OP before you ran your mouth?

[Seth]

You do know in Ireland it is legal to give a abortion in cases where the woman is pregnant?

Er, really? Do they give abortions at any other time?

And how does this square with sections 58 and 59 of the Offences against the Person Act 1861?

This has nothing to do with "socialised medicine" and everything to do with religious fuckwittery.

How strange, because Ireland has socialized medicine, doesn't it?

But you go ahead and keep running off your same old, tired and right-wing, Fox News, paranoid, sheeple rhetoric about how socialised medicine is destroying the World.

Well, it is. Even the UK is giving up on it.

[Animavore]

Er, really? Do they give abortions at any other time?

And how does this square with sections 58 and 59 of the Offences against the Person Act 1861?

Nothing to do with what I said.

How strange, because Ireland has socialized medicine, doesn't it?

Non-sequitur.

Well, it is. Even the UK is giving up on it.

Lies.

Good grief.

[Seth]

The reason the abortion issue is "contentious" is because of the Catholic Church and the noise they'll make. Also, of course, the damage (real or perceived) it'll do to the politicians' votes and support if they support it, due to the malign influence of said Church.

Nope, it's because the Irish people don't want abortion legalized, so they have not authorized their government to do so. Why they made that choice is probably related to their strong and pervasive religious beliefs, but the decision is made at the ballot box, not from the pulpit. If they are a religious people and want to eschew abortion on a societal basis, democracy demands that their will be done, now doesn't it?

Those who are not religious and want to have free access to abortion probably shouldn't live in Ireland. It's really just that simple.

[Animavore]

The reason the abortion issue is "contentious" is because of the Catholic Church and the noise they'll make. Also, of course, the damage (real or perceived) it'll do to the politicians' votes and support if they support it, due to the malign influence of said Church.

Nope, it's because the Irish people don't want abortion legalized, so they have not authorized their government to do so. Why they made that choice is probably related to their strong and pervasive religious beliefs, but the decision is made at the ballot box, not from the pulpit. If they are a religious people and want to eschew abortion on a societal basis, democracy demands that their will be done, now doesn't it?

Those who are not religious and want to have free access to abortion probably shouldn't live in Ireland. It's really just that simple.

Jesus. Are you wrong about everything? The latest polls show a much increased margin towards legalised abortion than 20 years ago but the government won't push it.
And no. The original decision, going way back, to have abortion illegal did not come from the ballot box.

[Seth]

Er, really? Do they give abortions at any other time?

And how does this square with sections 58 and 59 of the Offences against the Person Act 1861?

Nothing to do with what I said.

It has everything to do with what you said, which was (and I quote verbatim): "You do know in Ireland it is legal to give a abortion in cases where the woman is pregnant?"

In point of actual legal fact, it is not, as I just pointed out.

How strange, because Ireland has socialized medicine, doesn't it?

Non-sequitur.

Not really.

Well, it is. Even the UK is giving up on it.

Lies.

Good grief.

Not really.

Why the UK Is Ditching Socialized Medicine

February 20, 2012 By Arnold Ahlert

There is more than a little irony attached to the Obama administration’s determination to pursue socialist, EU-style “solutions” to America’s problems, even as the European Union is coming to grips with the bitter realities such socialism produces. And while Greece and its financial problems receive some media coverage in the United States, there is a much bigger story flying under the mainstream media radar: in Britain, Prime Minister David Cameron has introduced a bill seeking to partially privatize the National Health Service (NHS). Why? Because the British government is “hoping to avoid a Greek-style financial meltdown.” (continues)

[Cormac]

Guess she should have stayed in Pakistan or whatever shithole 'stan she came from. I'm sure she could have gotten an abortion on demand there...

She's Indian you fucking ignorant buffoon.

Oh, right, Indian...and abortion on demand is available there I'm sure...that explains their overpopulation problem how, exactly? Sorry it's not a 'stan exactly, but it's still a shithole where the same thing would have happened to her.

So, she came to Ireland...why exactly? Did she bother to read the abortion laws before she came over? Evidently not, or she would have known what the rules are in Ireland.

If you don't like Irish abortion laws, then change them or leave, or don't come there in the first place.

Of course it'd be nice to know if the septicemia was the result of the delayed abortion or perhaps a CONSEQUENCE of a botched abortion done by a government-paid sub-qualified doctor. She did, after all, "die later," indicating that there may have been complications with the abortion, something that is fairly common but almost never reported by the press, particularly where it might implicate incompetence on the part of government doctors.

In any event, it looks like the inferior socialized medicine in Ireland has failed to provide adequate and timely care...again...just like socialized medicine too often does.

Maybe she should have emigrated to the U.S., where abortion IS available on demand in most states and the quality of health care is the highest and most advanced in the world.

The law and constitution allow for terminations in circumstances where the mother's life is threatened by the continuation of the pregnancy.

So, in this case, it was a failure of the medical team.

If it turns out to be true that someone said to her that Ireland is a Catholic country and that they cannot carry out an abortion while the foetus has a heartbeat, then this is worse - because it is simply factually untrue.

And as for your comment about inferior socialised healthcare - care to present evidence that this is the case? And by evidence I don't mean one case of tragic stupidity like we've seen here - but actual evidence - you know, based on statistical analysis and results of health policies compared to other countries?

[Tero]

It's the same shit they are pulling here. Catholic employer or taxpayer does not need to pay for abortions. Therefore, ban them. Leave them only in Boston NY and UK. Ship women there for birthing, to be safe.

[Cormac]

Guess she should have stayed in Pakistan or whatever shithole 'stan she came from. I'm sure she could have gotten an abortion on demand there...

She's Indian you fucking ignorant buffoon.

Oh, right, Indian...and abortion on demand is available there I'm sure...that explains their overpopulation problem how, exactly? Sorry it's not a 'stan exactly, but it's still a shithole where the same thing would have happened to her.

So, she came to Ireland...why exactly? Did she bother to read the abortion laws before she came over? Evidently not, or she would have known what the rules are in Ireland.

If you don't like Irish abortion laws, then change them or leave, or don't come there in the first place.

Of course it'd be nice to know if the septicemia was the result of the delayed abortion or perhaps a CONSEQUENCE of a botched abortion done by a government-paid sub-qualified doctor. She did, after all, "die later," indicating that there may have been complications with the abortion, something that is fairly common but almost never reported by the press, particularly where it might implicate incompetence on the part of government doctors.

In any event, it looks like the inferior socialized medicine in Ireland has failed to provide adequate and timely care...again...just like socialized medicine too often does.

Maybe she should have emigrated to the U.S., where abortion IS available on demand in most states and the quality of health care is the highest and most advanced in the world.

How do you know she wasn't born in Ireland? Your post rings of Fox News viewer xenophobia.

Then she should have known better.

Also, what was she doing here? She was a dentist.

Now keep your fucking inhumane and disgusting comments to yourself.

Fuck you, asshole, I'll say what I want and continue to point out that she died of socialized medicine and that she could have gotten an abortion on demand in the U.S. any time it pleased her to do so, probably for free in an ER just about anywhere in the country.

You are misconstruing the thrust of my comments, I'm pointing out how inferior socialized medicine is and how it victimized this woman, who would have been no better off in India and might as well have stayed there.

But you make a valid point that she could be of Indian descent and be an Irish native, which just makes it all the worse.

The other thing that is fairly pathetic about your attempt to squeeze this awful tragedy into your premade conclusion about socialised medicine is the fact that:

1. If the law was what this medical team thought, and prevented abortion in these circumstances (it doesn' - the law allows for it), then that law would also apply to private hospitals.

2. We have a private healthcare sector that runs in parallel, and indeed, hand in hand with our national health service. I have private healthcare insurance. I had a minor operation last week using my private healthcare, for example.

So, perhaps you might try again Seth. This time, try not to have a conclusion already made.

[Cormac]

The reason the abortion issue is "contentious" is because of the Catholic Church and the noise they'll make. Also, of course, the damage (real or perceived) it'll do to the politicians' votes and support if they support it, due to the malign influence of said Church.

Nope, it's because the Irish people don't want abortion legalized, so they have not authorized their government to do so. Why they made that choice is probably related to their strong and pervasive religious beliefs, but the decision is made at the ballot box, not from the pulpit. If they are a religious people and want to eschew abortion on a societal basis, democracy demands that their will be done, now doesn't it?

Those who are not religious and want to have free access to abortion probably shouldn't live in Ireland. It's really just that simple.

~Factually incorrect.