2012 US Election -- Round 2

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Post by macdoc » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:26 am

Blistering editorial from the NYT snip
Mitt Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts, has gotten this far with a guile that allows him to say whatever he thinks an audience wants to hear. But he has tied himself to the ultraconservative forces that control the Republican Party and embraced their policies, including reckless budget cuts and 30-year-old, discredited trickle-down ideas. Voters may still be confused about Mr. Romney’s true identity, but they know the Republican Party, and a Romney administration would reflect its agenda. Mr. Romney’s choice of Representative Paul Ryan as his running mate says volumes about that.
as they endorse Obama....

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Post by kiki5711 » Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:37 am

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CLEVELAND, Ohio—President Barack Obama's voice sounded coarse and tired when he delivered the final speech of a cross-country tour that had taken him to eight states in three days. About 12,000 supporters were waiting on the airport tarmac here when Air Force One landed and rolled behind the stage. With the music of U2 blaring into the warm autumn night, Obama hustled down the stairs from the plane and jogged toward the lectern and teleprompters awaiting him.

The message he delivered along the banks of Lake Erie was the same one he preached previously that day in Virginia, and before that in Florida, Iowa and Colorado. He spoke about women's health, promoted his agenda to increase federal spending on domestic programs paid for by higher taxes on upper-income families, and he accused his opponent Mitt Romney of favoring the wealthy over the middle class. He gave his standard line about what he calls "Romnesia" and implored the crowd to vote—preferably before Election Day.

But before Obama reached the part of his speech at the end when he usually calls on the audience to share his message with their neighbors, the president paused. His tone changed. His voice, hoarse from three days of rallies and an almost sleepless night, quieted.

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Post by kiki5711 » Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:54 am

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Bishop David L. Ricken of the Green Bay Diocese sent this email to his congregation (emphasis added):
October 24, 2012

Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

AN IMPORTANT MOMENT

It is almost time to vote and to make our choices for president and other political offices both local and national.

You have often heard it said that this is a turning point in our country’s history and I could not agree more.

The Church is not a political organism, but as you hopefully have learned in the US Bishops Faithful

Citizenship material (which we have made widely available to you in the parishes, in the Compass and on-line),

the Church has the responsibility to speak out regarding moral issues, especially on those issues that impact the “common good” and the “dignity of the human person.”

I would like to review some of the principles to keep in mind as you approach the voting booth to complete your ballot. The first is the set of non-negotiables. These are areas that are “intrinsically evil” and cannot be supported by anyone who is a believer in God or the common good or the dignity of the human person.

They are:

1. abortion

2. euthanasia

3. embryonic stem cell research

4. human cloning

5. homosexual “marriage”


These are intrinsically evil. “A well-formed Christian conscience does not permit one to vote for a political program that contradicts fundamental contents of faith and morals.” Intrinsically evil actions are those which have an evil object. In other words, an act is evil by its very nature and to choose an action of this type puts one in grave moral danger.

But what does this have to do with the election? Some candidates and one party have even chosen some of these as their party’s or their personal political platform. To vote for someone in favor of these positions means that you could be morally “complicit” with these choices which are intrinsically evil. This could put your own soul in jeopardy.

The other position to keep in mind is the protection of religious liberty. The recent aggressive moves by the government to impose the HHS mandate, especially the move to redefine religion so that religion is confined more and more to the four walls of the Church, is a dangerous precedent. This will certainly hurt the many health care services to the poor given by our Catholic hospitals. Our Catholic hospitals in the Diocese give millions of dollars per year in donated services to the poor. In the new plan, only Catholic people can be treated by Catholic institutions.
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A banner that says ‘Women for Mitt,’ being carried by two men. There are no women, not holding the sign or walking behind in support. There is a woman near them; but only one. Maybe it should read, Woman for Mitt, and have an arrow pointing to her.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:07 pm

Cincinnati Enquirer poll shows R and O tied at 49/49 -- http://www.13wmaz.com/news/topstories/a ... ely-Voters This is contrary to 538.com and Sam Wang's Princeton Election Consortium, which show Obama still ahead by a few points.

Des Moines Register endorses Romney - first endorsement of a Republican in 40 years. http://www.desmoinesregister.com/articl ... ck_check=1 Des Moines register has a history of picking the loser, though...

Obama's job approval plummets 7 points in 3 days, per Gallup: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gallup- ... nts-3-days
The race remains very narrowly divided – 49 percent support for Romney, 48 percent for Obama among likely voters in this poll, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates. That almost precisely matches the average, 48-48 percent, in 11 ABC/Post polls since midsummer. Even with gains by Romney on some fundamentals, there’s been no breakout in this remarkably close contest. Notably, neither candidate has yet received majority support.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... 2-contest/

Madonna booed after touting Obama at a concert; fans walk out: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... 8-04-26-51

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Post by Gerald McGrew » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:12 pm

Here's a good example of the sort of media narrative I find annoying...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... ml?hpid=z1
"Obama clings to slim lead in Virginia, according to poll

President Obama is clinging to a slender four-point lead over Republican Mitt Romney in Virginia as both sides ramp up already aggressive campaigns in the crucial battleground state, according to a new Washington Post poll.

Obama outpolled Romney, 51 to 47 percent, among likely Virginia voters, although he lost the clearer 52-to-44 percent advantage he held in mid-September."
First, if the race goes as is widely predicted, Virginia would be a bonus win for Obama. IOW, he likely won't need it to secure the 270 electoral votes. It's a nice safety net for sure, but not absolutely vital. Second, being up 4 points in Virginia this late is "clinging to a narrow lead"? I bet if we asked the Obama camp, they'd be thrilled with those results. And what do you think the headline would be if they found Romney was up by 4 in Virginia? "Romney surges to strong lead in Virginia"

Contrary to what conservatives claim, the "mainstream media" isn't in the bag for Obama. What most of them want is a close race, and even better, a comeback story. That's why they've bought into the Romney campaign's narrative about some sort of "momentum" for Romney even though the polls don't show anything of the sort.

"Romney's got momentum you say? Woo hoo! We've got us a race!"
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:30 pm

It's not a bad article, actually, and entirely consistent with Nate Silver's current predictions regarding Virginia, which has it as one of the narrower battleground states. http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/ It certainly is a "narrow" lead.

And, nobody seriously suggests that we don't "got us a race." What do you want the article to say, "Obama a sure bet on November 6; only rubes will vote for Obama?" Oh, wait, I forgot who I was talking to....

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Post by Gerald McGrew » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:34 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:It's not a bad article, actually, and entirely consistent with Nate Silver's current predictions regarding Virginia, which has it as one of the narrower battleground states. http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/ It certainly is a "narrow" lead.
It's not about the data, it's about the headline and the tone chosen to describe the data.
And, nobody seriously suggests that we don't "got us a race." What do you want the article to say, "Obama a sure bet on November 6; only rubes will vote for Obama?" Oh, wait, I forgot who I was talking to....
LOL! Yeah...that's totally what I meant. :bored:

How about, "WP Poll shows Obama up 4 points in Virginia" as a headline? I guarantee if it had shown Romney up by 4 in Virginia, it wouldn't have been described as "clinging to a slim lead".
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Post by Tero » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:35 pm

Ohio is still undecided?

If Romney gets elected, we will have two one term presidents in a row. A new trend?

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Post by Ian » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:38 pm

Tero wrote:Ohio is still undecided?

If Romney gets elected, we will have two one term presidents in a row. A new trend?
A reasonable assumption. One thing Romney never mentions about his brief tenure as governor is that he started out with a 66% approval rating and it dropped to 34% by the time he left, which was well before the recession hit.

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Post by Gerald McGrew » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:40 pm

The main trend I see is that in low turnout elections, Republicans do well, and in higher turnout years Democrats do well.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:42 pm

Gerald McGrew wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:It's not a bad article, actually, and entirely consistent with Nate Silver's current predictions regarding Virginia, which has it as one of the narrower battleground states. http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/ It certainly is a "narrow" lead.
It's not about the data, it's about the headline and the tone chosen to describe the data.
And, nobody seriously suggests that we don't "got us a race." What do you want the article to say, "Obama a sure bet on November 6; only rubes will vote for Obama?" Oh, wait, I forgot who I was talking to....
LOL! Yeah...that's totally what I meant. :bored:

How about, "WP Poll shows Obama up 4 points in Virginia" as a headline? I guarantee if it had shown Romney up by 4 in Virginia, it wouldn't have been described as "clinging to a slim lead".
Newspapers like catchier headlines. I'll take this nonsense seriously when you worry - once - about the endless stream of pro-Obama news articles, or even when you express an ounce of concern that mainstream journalists don't seem to care that Obama goes on Late Night television programs, but rarely has a White House Press Conference. The Washington Post is biased to Romney, you're trying to say? :coffeespray:

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Post by kiki5711 » Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:28 pm

Gerald McGrew wrote:Here's a good example of the sort of media narrative I find annoying...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... ml?hpid=z1
"Obama clings to slim lead in Virginia, according to poll

President Obama is clinging to a slender four-point lead over Republican Mitt Romney in Virginia as both sides ramp up already aggressive campaigns in the crucial battleground state, according to a new Washington Post poll.

Obama outpolled Romney, 51 to 47 percent, among likely Virginia voters, although he lost the clearer 52-to-44 percent advantage he held in mid-September."
First, if the race goes as is widely predicted, Virginia would be a bonus win for Obama. IOW, he likely won't need it to secure the 270 electoral votes. It's a nice safety net for sure, but not absolutely vital. Second, being up 4 points in Virginia this late is "clinging to a narrow lead"? I bet if we asked the Obama camp, they'd be thrilled with those results. And what do you think the headline would be if they found Romney was up by 4 in Virginia? "Romney surges to strong lead in Virginia"

Contrary to what conservatives claim, the "mainstream media" isn't in the bag for Obama. What most of them want is a close race, and even better, a comeback story. That's why they've bought into the Romney campaign's narrative about some sort of "momentum" for Romney even though the polls don't show anything of the sort.


"Romney's got momentum you say? Woo hoo! We've got us a race!"
Exactly!!!!!

News outlets are going to milk the audience with polls and this and that....for all it's worth. The traffic on the internet, the paper sales, and any other way they make money with news is soaring!!!!

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Post by kiki5711 » Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:44 pm

Ian wrote:
Tero wrote:Ohio is still undecided?

If Romney gets elected, we will have two one term presidents in a row. A new trend?
A reasonable assumption. One thing Romney never mentions about his brief tenure as governor is that he started out with a 66% approval rating and it dropped to 34% by the time he left, which was well before the recession hit.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:02 pm

Really?

That's why they are pressing Obama on his shutting out of the media by not holding White House Press Conferences and taking questions from the press, except very sporadically and briefly? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/1 ... 97811.html Did that make the nightly news? Did that hit the mainstream media?
On Friday, Obama's deputy press secretary parried a series of volleys from the White House press corps, all of whom wanted to know when the president would break his over-two-month streak of not formally answering their questions.
Imagine the cacophony from the press if Bush did that.

And, has anyone before gotten away with setting "ground rules" for local television interviews? http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/0 ... nterviews/

How much criticism has Obama gotten from the media for his golf habits, and compare that to when Bush was President and we had the media railing against Bush for golfing a few times. Bush stopped golfing and he was ridiculed for STOPPING playing golf, as it was a blue blood nonsense "sacrifice" on his part (a la Kieth Olbermann's rant on the subject...).

Examples of biased mainstream media reporting:

Romney hates the disabled and children, according to the Associated Press: http://www.boston.com/news/local/rhode_ ... er_butter/

The media fawned over Obama's inauguration -- giving it approximately 35 times the attention of his predecessor: http://www.aim.org/don-irvine-blog/medi ... uguration/

Have you heard the mainstream media railing against Obama for pre-picking journalists who may answer him questions?
According to Sun-Times columnist and long-time Chicago journalist, Carol Marin, journalists at Barack Obama news conferences have come to realize that Obama has pre-picked those journalists whom he will allow to ask him questions at the conference and many of them now "don't even bother raising" their hands to be called upon.
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-tod ... z2AcYJVQSI Would that kind of thing be allowed to continue under the Bush Administration?

Have you heard the mainstream media ask whether the most transparent administration would "prepick" journalists?
As ferociously as we march like villagers with torches against Blagojevich, we have been, in the true spirit of the Bizarro universe, the polar opposite with the president-elect. Deferential, eager to please, prepared to keep a careful distance.

The Obama news conferences tell that story, making one yearn for the return of the always-irritating Sam Donaldson to awaken the slumbering press to the notion that decorum isn't all it's cracked up to be.

The press corps, most of us, don't even bother raising our hands any more to ask questions because Obama always has before him a list of correspondents who've been advised they will be called upon that day.
That is right, folks -- a member of the media there ADMITTING that the media was "deferential" and "eager to please." Are you folks kidding me? You want to pretend the media isn't in his camp?

FFS -- your mantra should change from "Reality has a liberal bias" nonsense to "Reality has an Obama bias." :funny:
Third, Obama is the object of unprecedented media adoration. Part of it, of course, is because he is the first black man to be elected president, which is an extraordinary and authentically moving achievement in American history. But ideology is also at work. If, say, Clarence Thomas had been elected president, the media attention would not be anything like what we have witnessed.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/artic ... president/


Here is another example:
When George Bush's people put on a $42-million inaugural program four years ago, many editorial writers and columnists around America came unglued.

A St. Petersburg (Fla.) Times commentator said the president needed to prove that his call for sacrifice "is more than just empty words." A Washington Post columnist suggested Bush & Co. should be ashamed of staging lavish parties in the face of their debacle in Iraq. A columnist at the New York Observer evoked images of Louis XIV.

It would have been nice, for the sake of consistency and fairness, if the commentariat had leveled a measure of that same attitude at last week's Obamapalooza, which cost roughly the same but drew a fraction of the blow-back.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jan/25 ... themedia25
He hasn’t taken the oath of office yet, but Barack Obama is expected to Do Great Things. What this expectation is based on is anybody’s guess, unless you count promising all things to all people on the campaign trail. He is, for many, a new Messiah who can do no wrong. To see the media coverage, one would think his election is the greatest thing this nation has seen since its very inception.
http://www.aim.org/guest-column/the-imm ... erception/

The media didn't give a shit at all that most of Obama's senior staff were subpoenaed in the Blagojovich corruption matter. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/200 ... bpoen.html Do you think the media would have been so silent if it was the Bush administration, or do you think there would be headlines about how the Bush administration was involved in the corruption?
Time Magazine has employed a photographer named Callie Shell that has apparently been doing double duty as both a "journalist" AND a member of team Obama, taking pictures subsequently sent out as official White House photos.

How is it that we can have someone thinking that bias cannot be presumed when that same person is working for both a news agency and at the same time for the subject of that news? Is the love that the press has for The One so blurred that they cannot see a difference between covering Obama and working for Obama?
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