2012 US Election -- Round 2

[Tero]

No no, guys drive those Commanders too, as well as cute Patriots. It's the gas prices. Plus they still get to look down on me in my Huyndai. Their wives drive the minivan.

[Coito ergo sum]

No no, guys drive those Commanders too, as well as cute Patriots. It's the gas prices. Plus they still get to look down on me in my Huyndai. Their wives drive the minivan.

I am sure they do. The thing was that they're not anything special. Nobody driving one "looks down" on you because you drive a shitty car like a Hyundai. Well, they may "literally" look down on you because they're higher up, but a Jeep Commander is no great shakes. A guy wanting to look all manly isn't going to buy one of the those mobiles, just like they're not buying Jeep Liberties to make people think their cocks are huge. It's just a regular vehicle. Many people drive mid-size to larger vehicles, including SUVs. And, nobody drives a standard pick-up truck because they think it's some great shakes. Pick up trucks are cheap rides, comparatively. An F150 is probably not much more than a new Hyundai, if at all, depending on the model Hyundai.

[Tero]

Well, they may "literally" look down on you because they're higher up,...

That's what I meant! Most guys are that juvenile, pretending to be alpha males! Like a certain candidate.

[Warren Dew]

CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10 ... urces-say/

[macdoc]

and you still believe anything Fox feeds you???? Pathetic hardly covers it.

http://foxnewslies.net
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/3 ... ews-Corpse

- how about a verifiable source.

[Ian]

Does anyone know what Ronald Reagan did after Operation Eagle Claw (the attempt to rescue the hostages in Iran in May 1980) ended in disaster with servicemen killed? Almost nothing. He showed some respect for the people who were killed as well as for President Carter as the commander-in-chief, knowing that the details of what happened were out of his hands. Reagan didn't want to focus on that incident through the election.

Fast forward to 2012, and look at how Republicans are acting about this incident. Conspiracies, charges of negligence/incompetence/apathy/cover-ups/leaving our people out to dry/etc. Meanwhile, the father of the dead ambassador has asked Romney to stop making the incident a political talking point for his own purposes. The mother of one of the dead SEALs has asked Romney to stop making the incident a political talking point for his own purposes. Et cetera et cetera. Warren, Coito, and anybody else who just loves bringing this up for obvious reasons... show some fucking respect already. Griping about this matter shows a lot more about your own character than it does about anything else.

[Feck]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 42KbtSiMbA[/youtube]

{Why YT link not work?}

[Tero]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 42KbtSiMbA
Lets see what it is then. OK
Not worth the trouble, it looks like 4 years of Romney. But with Obamacare and abortions and gay rights.

You cant do anything with Jews and Muslims.

[Warren Dew]

and you still believe anything Fox feeds you?

Fox news online is a good counterbalance to leftist sources like the Washington Post; you have to read both for balance.

In this case, it was Fox that managed to get the source. They're a lot more reliable than wikileaks, which everyone seemed happy to credit.

Does anyone know what Ronald Reagan did after Operation Eagle Claw (the attempt to rescue the hostages in Iran in May 1980) ended in disaster with servicemen killed? Almost nothing.

Back then, legitimate news sources gave appropriate, or maybe even excessive, coverage to those problems, rather than just covering the president's behind like they do with Obama. Now, we have to rely on social media, which includes this site, to fill us in on the things the leftist news sources are hiding.

[Gerald McGrew]

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.co ... more-36719

Among the 10 polls that provided for a comparison to another poll conducted after the Denver debate, Mr. Obama gained 1 percentage point, on average. The past week of polling suggests that Mr. Romney is no longer improving his position in the race.

Whether Mr. Obama has any momentum of his own, such as because of this week’s debate in Florida, is less clear. To me, it looks more like a gradual reversion to the mean than anything all that assertive.

At the same time, Mr. Obama has led in the polling averages all year in states that would allow him to win the Electoral College, and that remains the case now....

...Pennsylvania is somewhat more competitive, but Mr. Obama leads there by about 5 points in the forecast (that was also his margin in a Rasmussen Reports poll of the state on Thursday). With the exception of one strongly G.O.P.-leaning firm, Susquehanna Research, no other polling firm has shown Mr. Romney ahead in the state all year. A 5-point lead in the state with a week and a half to go should translate into a victory for Mr. Obama more than 90 percent of the time, especially in a low-elasticity state like Pennsylvania.

Wisconsin and Nevada come next. While both remain winnable for Mr. Romney, they have featured among the more consistent polling; Mr. Romney has led in just one poll of Nevada since the Denver debate, and none in Wisconsin.

If Mr. Obama wins Wisconsin and Nevada along with the states like Michigan where he seems to have a clearer advantage, he will have 253 electoral votes, putting him 17 votes shy of clinching an Electoral College majority.

Ohio, which has 18 electoral votes, is the state most likely to provide those votes to Mr. Obama. He leads in the FiveThirtyEight forecast by 2.3 percentage points in Ohio, and by a similar margin according to other Web sites that aggregate polls. The forecast gives Mr. Obama about a 75 percent chance of winning Ohio. This figure is, not coincidentally, close to Mr. Obama’s 73 percent overall chance of winning the Electoral College. (Ohio has about a 50-50 chance of providing the decisive Electoral College votes.)

[Gerald McGrew]

http://votamatic.org/into-the-home-stretch/

With the debates complete, and just two weeks left in the campaign, there’s enough state-level polling to know pretty clearly where the candidates currently stand. If the polls are right, Obama is solidly ahead in 18 states (and DC), totaling 237 electoral votes. Romney is ahead in 23 states, worth 191 electoral votes. Among the remaining battleground states, Romney leads in North Carolina (15 EV); Obama leads in Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, Ohio, and Wisconsin (44 EV); and Florida, Virginia, and Colorado (51 EV) are essentially tied. Even if Romney takes all of these tossups, Obama would still win the election, 281-257.

The reality in the states – regardless of how close the national polls may make the election seem – is that Obama is in the lead....

...From this perspective, it’s a bit odd to see commentary out there suggesting that Romney should be favored, or that quantitative, poll-based analyses showing Obama ahead are somehow flawed, or biased, or not to be believed. It’s especially amusing to see the target of this criticism be the New York Times’ Nate Silver, whose FiveThirtyEight blog has been, if anything, unusually generous to Romney’s chances all along.

That's how the right works. If the data doesn't tell you what you want, there must be something wrong with the data.

[macdoc]

Fox news online is a good counterbalance to leftist sources like the Washington Post; you have to read both for balance.

Ignores entirely Fox's history of made up news and thinks he's getting a "balance".....

Do you really NOT understand why America is a laughingstock......your approach to "balanced news" is one very good reason it is viewed with such distain worldwide and why if the world voted Romney would not even be on the radar.

Right out of a comedy skit..that hoary old "left wing media bias".......too precious.

[Ian]

A most excellent suggestion:

Dem's amendment would give 29 more electoral votes to popular-vote winner
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... oral-votes

Some of my thoughts on the subject of the Electoral College from the previous election thread: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 35#p626661

I wonder what Republicans might think about this if Romney wins the popular vote despite losing the Electoral College, as happened to Al Gore in 2000?

[kiki5711]

Fox news online is a good counterbalance to leftist sources like the Washington Post; you have to read both for balance.

Ignores entirely Fox's history of made up news and thinks he's getting a "balance".....

Do you really NOT understand why America is a laughingstock......your approach to "balanced news" is one very good reason it is viewed with such distain worldwide and why if the world voted Romney would not even be on the radar.

Right out of a comedy skit..that hoary old "left wing media bias".......too precious.

[Tero]

Interesting. The quantity of information and disinformation we now have available.