Political posterizing redux.

[Coito ergo sum]

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So, what do you call Romney's 67% win last week?

This would be funny if some of you would at least admit that Romney won the last debate against Obama, let alone "dominated."

Here - the polls about the debate point to people mainly seeing it as largely a draw - a bit of an edge to Biden, depending. Last week, 2/3 of those watching the debate saw it as a clear win for Romney.

[Ian]

I won't admit Romney won so much as Obama lost. Big difference.

If voting in a poll which asked "who won?", I'd have to pick Romney.

[Coito ergo sum]

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Just addressing the first one -- the plant went on standby in April/May/June of 2009, not 2008, and it is still not "closed" to this day. It's on standby. Ryan did not lie about that.

If it's only on standby and not closed, and he accused Obama of closing it, then he did lie. I don't know the specifics on this on though.

*and, this is not a sex thread.

He never accused Obama of "closing" anything. This is what I'm on about -- people don't address what he actually said, and instead go for debunking the straw man.

It's like how now you can't even talk about the Obamacare panel and what it does or doesn't do, because if you mention it, that means you're "bringing up Death Panels."

Such tripe.

[Kristie]

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So, what do you call Romney's 67% win last week?

This would be funny if some of you would at least admit that Romney won the last debate against Obama, let alone "dominated."

Here - the polls about the debate point to people mainly seeing it as largely a draw - a bit of an edge to Biden, depending. Last week, 2/3 of those watching the debate saw it as a clear win for Romney.

The sheer volume of lies Mitt sputtered should disqualify him from winning. If it doesn't, then ok, he won.

[Coito ergo sum]

302621_542938012398381_1972598637_n

So, what do you call Romney's 67% win last week?

This would be funny if some of you would at least admit that Romney won the last debate against Obama, let alone "dominated."

Here - the polls about the debate point to people mainly seeing it as largely a draw - a bit of an edge to Biden, depending. Last week, 2/3 of those watching the debate saw it as a clear win for Romney.

The sheer volume of lies Mitt sputtered should disqualify him from winning. If it doesn't, then ok, he won.

LOL -- a lie is not defined as "something said by someone you don't like."

I've given several clear examples of "lies" that Biden told during his debate. Not differences of opinion. Not factual disputes. Just very clear misstatements of fact. I quoted him word for word, and showed where the words he used (not other words) were false. The only real argument could be whether they were "intentional" or whether he really believed he was correct.

So, feel free to do the same. Quote Romney and let's see if your quote shows a "lie" as opposed to a difference of opinion.

[Kristie]

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So, what do you call Romney's 67% win last week?

This would be funny if some of you would at least admit that Romney won the last debate against Obama, let alone "dominated."

Here - the polls about the debate point to people mainly seeing it as largely a draw - a bit of an edge to Biden, depending. Last week, 2/3 of those watching the debate saw it as a clear win for Romney.

The sheer volume of lies Mitt sputtered should disqualify him from winning. If it doesn't, then ok, he won.

LOL -- a lie is not defined as "something said by someone you don't like."

I've given several clear examples of "lies" that Biden told during his debate. Not differences of opinion. Not factual disputes. Just very clear misstatements of fact. I quoted him word for word, and showed where the words he used (not other words) were false. The only real argument could be whether they were "intentional" or whether he really believed he was correct.

So, feel free to do the same. Quote Romney and let's see if your quote shows a "lie" as opposed to a difference of opinion.

This article does it nicely for me. http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/ ... 8-minutes/
I particularly like:
6) “I saw a study that came out today that said you’re going to raise taxes by $3,000 to $4,000 on middle-income families.” Romney is pointing to this study from the American Enterprise Institute. It actually found that rather than raise taxes to pay down the debt, the Obama administration’s policies — those contained directly in his budget — would reduce the share of taxes that go toward servicing the debt by $1,289.89 per taxpayer in the $100,000 to $200,000 range.
7) “And the reason is because small business pays that individual rate; 54 percent of America’s workers work in businesses that are taxed not at the corporate tax rate, but at the individual tax rate….97 percent of the businesses are not — not taxed at the 35 percent tax rate, they’re taxed at a lower rate. But those businesses that are in the last 3 percent of businesses happen to employ half — half of all the people who work in small business.” Far less than half of the people affected by the expiration of the upper income tax cuts get any of their income at all from a small businesses. And those people could very well be receiving speaking fees or book royalties, which qualify as “small business income” but don’t have a direct impact on job creation. It’s actually hard to find a small business who think that they will be hurt if the marginal tax rate on income earned above $250,000 per year is increased.
9) “The president’s put it in place as much public debt — almost as much debt held by the public as all prior presidents combined.” This is not even close to being true. When Obama took office, the national debt stood at $10.626 trillion. Now the national debt is over $16 trillion. That $5.374 trillion increase is nowhere near as much debt as all the other presidents combined.
10) “That’s why the National Federation of Independent Businesses said your plan will kill 700,000 jobs. I don’t want to kill jobs in this environment.” That study, produced by a right-wing advocacy organization, doesn’t analyze what Obama has actually proposed.
13) “I want to take that $716 billion you’ve cut and put it back into Medicare…. But the idea of cutting $716 billion from Medicare to be able to balance the additional cost of Obamacare is, in my opinion, a mistake. There’s that number again. Romney is claiming that Obamacare siphons off $716 billion from Medicare, to the detriment of beneficiaries. In actuality, that money is saved primarily through reducing over-payments to insurance companies under Medicare Advantage, not payments to beneficiaries. Paul Ryan’s budget plan keeps those same cuts, but directs them toward tax cuts for the rich and deficit reduction.
20) “t puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.” The Board, or IPAB is tasked with making binding recommendations to Congress for lowering health care spending, should Medicare costs exceed a target growth rate. Congress can accept the savings proposal or implement its own ideas through a super majority. The panel’s plan will modify payments to providers but it cannot “include any recommendation to ration health care, raise revenues or Medicare beneficiary premiums…increase Medicare beneficiary cost-sharing (including deductibles, coinsurance, and co- payments), or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility criteria” (Section 3403 of the ACA). Relying on health care experts rather than politicians to control health care costs has previously attracted bipartisan support and even Ryan himself proposed two IPAB-like structures in a 2009 health plan.
23) “It’s why Republicans said, do not do this, and the Republicans had — had the plan. They put a plan out. They put out a plan, a bipartisan plan. It was swept aside.” The Affordable Care Act incorporates many Republican ideas including the individual mandate, state-based health care exchanges, high-risk insurance pools, and modified provisions that allow insurers to sell policies in multiple states. Republicans never offered a united bipartisan alternative.
24) “Preexisting conditions are covered under my plan.” Only people who are continuously insured would not be discriminated against because they suffer from pre-existing conditions. This protection would not be extended to people who are currently uninsured.
26) “I think about half of [the green firms Obama invested in], of the ones have been invested in have gone out of business. A number of them happened to be owned by people who were contributors to your campaigns.” As of late last year, only “three out of the 26 recipients of 1705 loan guarantees have filed for bankruptcy, with losses estimated at just over $600 million.”

[Kristie]

Coito, please tell me you're not going to reply to each of those. I'll just let you know now, I probably won't read it.

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Next time look at the thread's subject line, then you won't get lost.

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