2012 US Election -- Round 2

[Warren Dew]

47% are those that don't pay federal income taxes. They aren't too poor to feed and shelter their families.

Actually the 47% Romney was talking about was the 47% solid Obama voters. Romney rightly said he's not going to bother trying to get their vote, because they aren't going to change their minds anyway.

[Drewish]

I have to disagree Warren Dew. The number of Republicans living off the welfare state, while simultaneously condemning people for mooching off the system is not a negligible figure Also the number of economically left leaning people who are also Mormon or hardcore Christian enough (or racist against blacks) is more than nothing. People are much more varied in their positions than most think. That's why actually taking a position on anything is almost always a bad idea in a two candidate race.

[Ian]

47% are those that don't pay federal income taxes. They aren't too poor to feed and shelter their families.

Actually the 47% Romney was talking about was the 47% solid Obama voters. Romney rightly said he's not going to bother trying to get their vote, because they aren't going to change their minds anyway.

Wrong. Apparently you didn't actually listen to the speech. He did that, and he also compared those 47% of solid Obama supporters to the 47% who don't pay income taxes, as if the groups overlap each other.

[Kristie]

47% are those that don't pay federal income taxes. They aren't too poor to feed and shelter their families.

Actually the 47% Romney was talking about was the 47% solid Obama voters. Romney rightly said he's not going to bother trying to get their vote, because they aren't going to change their minds anyway.

That's actually what I thought at first, also. But, everyone keeps saying he was talking about the 47% not paying income taxes.

[Warren Dew]

47% are those that don't pay federal income taxes. They aren't too poor to feed and shelter their families.

Actually the 47% Romney was talking about was the 47% solid Obama voters. Romney rightly said he's not going to bother trying to get their vote, because they aren't going to change their minds anyway.

Wrong. Apparently you didn't actually listen to the speech. He did that, and he also compared those 47% of solid Obama supporters to the 47% who don't pay income taxes, as if the groups overlap each other.

The two groups do overlap each other. They're just not identical. He also mentioned a bunch of other overlapping groups - people who have a victim mentality, people who think they're entitled to free health care, etc.

That's actually what I thought at first, also. But, everyone keeps saying he was talking about the 47% not paying income taxes.

That's because "everyone" didn't pay attention.

I have to disagree Warren Dew. The number of Republicans living off the welfare state, while simultaneously condemning people for mooching off the system is not a negligible figure Also the number of economically left leaning people who are also Mormon or hardcore Christian enough (or racist against blacks) is more than nothing. People are much more varied in their positions than most think. That's why actually taking a position on anything is almost always a bad idea in a two candidate race.

So where is your disagreement?

[Ian]

47% are those that don't pay federal income taxes. They aren't too poor to feed and shelter their families.

Actually the 47% Romney was talking about was the 47% solid Obama voters. Romney rightly said he's not going to bother trying to get their vote, because they aren't going to change their minds anyway.

Wrong. Apparently you didn't actually listen to the speech. He did that, and he also compared those 47% of solid Obama supporters to the 47% who don't pay income taxes, as if the groups overlap each other.

The two groups do overlap each other. They're just not identical. He also mentioned a bunch of other overlapping groups - people who have a victim mentality, people who think they're entitled to free health care, etc.

Funny how of the top ten states for people receiving government assistance, nine of them are solid red.

People with graduate degrees or higher (and their associated income levels) are voting for Obama by a landslide. People with high school degrees or less (and their associated income levels) will be heavily voting for Romney. Others in the 47% who don't pay income taxes are the elderly, military veterans, and several thousand millionaires using offshore accounts - not exactly groups of people who are tied to the hips of Democratic Presidents.

You're just repeating yet another conservative myth. You want it to be true, but the truth is something else entirely.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/2 ... aily+Brief

[Coito ergo sum]

47% are those that don't pay federal income taxes. They aren't too poor to feed and shelter their families.

Actually the 47% Romney was talking about was the 47% solid Obama voters. Romney rightly said he's not going to bother trying to get their vote, because they aren't going to change their minds anyway.

Wrong. Apparently you didn't actually listen to the speech. He did that, and he also compared those 47% of solid Obama supporters to the 47% who don't pay income taxes, as if the groups overlap each other.

you are correct, Ian. His statement was inartfully worded, to say the least.

[Audley Strange]

That independent guy Kony they keep bringing up, seems to be popular amongst the younger voters.

[Coito ergo sum]

I weep for my country...lol

[Kristie]

Idiots can be found everywhere and in every political party.

[Ian]

And many can be found to have no party at all. I loved Bill Maher's rant against the handful of undecided/Low-Information voters this past Friday. If anybody cares to find and post a link to that speech, please do it (I can't at the moment).

Bottom line: The sliver of undecided voters are the main reason for the huge advertising buys in swing states. But there's a myth that these voters are truly Independent, honorably aloof and pouring over the details of policy initiatives so as to select the best candidate according to their own set of beliefs. The reality is exactly the opposite: people who at this point are still undecided are just plain ignorant, don't follow politics, probably won't watch the debates, and generally couldn't tell you much about the candidates and their positions if you paid them to. But some will vote anyway, and who they vote for and whatever inane criteria they use to decide could, in a truly close race, decide the election. Every four years these dolts are the ones who make me want to require people registering to vote to pass a basic American Civics/Current Events test. But in the end I don't really mean it - it's just a gripe.

[Kristie]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1CQH-4WJWU[/youtube]
damn it! there's the link but I can't get it to work right.

[SteveB]

Work for moi?

[Kristie]

Thank you!