90-200 million dead.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

90-200 million dead.

That's a poo-poo load of people, right? Who would you say is responsible for that number?

If you're a fundamentalist Christian you already know. "It was them atheist people!"

And you'd be wrong. The cause of that great loss of human life was ... wait for it ... Christians. Conquistadors and the Catholic clergy that came with them to be precise. The death toll in the New World was and is the largest single kill by a group of Good Christian Men in all history.

So, the next time some fundy brings up Mao, Stalin, and Pol Pot, just reply with "Julius II, Leo X, Adrian Vi, Clement VII, Paul III, and so on." This will piss them off no end.

[Thinking Aloud]

They weren't True Christians though.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

They weren't True Christians though.

Yeppers, already heard that elsewhere.

I need to send this over to "Proof Religion Does Harm".

[Seth]

90-200 million dead.

That's a poo-poo load of people, right? Who would you say is responsible for that number?

If you're a fundamentalist Christian you already know. "It was them atheist people!"

And you'd be wrong. The cause of that great loss of human life was ... wait for it ... Christians. Conquistadors and the Catholic clergy that came with them to be precise. The death toll in the New World was and is the largest single kill by a group of Good Christian Men in all history.

So, the next time some fundy brings up Mao, Stalin, and Pol Pot, just reply with "Julius II, Leo X, Adrian Vi, Clement VII, Paul III, and so on." This will piss them off no end.

Of course the fact that it was unintentional disease, not intentional mass murder that killed the indigenous people of the Americas puts lie to your claim. Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot can't claim they didn't intend to murder 100 million people.

[JimC]

90-200 million dead.

That's a poo-poo load of people, right? Who would you say is responsible for that number?

If you're a fundamentalist Christian you already know. "It was them atheist people!"

And you'd be wrong. The cause of that great loss of human life was ... wait for it ... Christians. Conquistadors and the Catholic clergy that came with them to be precise. The death toll in the New World was and is the largest single kill by a group of Good Christian Men in all history.

So, the next time some fundy brings up Mao, Stalin, and Pol Pot, just reply with "Julius II, Leo X, Adrian Vi, Clement VII, Paul III, and so on." This will piss them off no end.

Of course the fact that it was unintentional disease, not intentional mass murder that killed the indigenous people of the Americas puts lie to your claim. Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot can't claim they didn't intend to murder 100 million people.

At least some of the disease was intentional; smallpox blankets, anyone?

And Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were killing for power and a twisted ideology, not in the name of atheism...

[Gawdzilla Sama]

And Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were killing for power and a twisted ideology, not in the name of atheism...

Facts are irrelevant when you're Lying For Jesus (tm).

[Animavore]

I thought the smallpox blankets thing was a myth?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I thought the smallpox blankets thing was a myth?

Yeah, it is, but it's part of the mythos now.

[Thinking Aloud]

Has anyone ever killed anyone else in the name of atheism? People kill others on a grand scale because of dogma, be that religiously, socially, or politically inspired. You can add atheism into your political or social ideal, if you choose to disavow existing religions, but it does not make atheism the cause of whatever atrocity you choose to commit to achieve your new world order.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Has anyone ever killed anyone else in the name of atheism? People kill others on a grand scale because of dogma, be that religiously, socially, or politically inspired. You can add atheism into your political or social ideal, if you choose to disavow existing religions, but it does not make atheism the cause of whatever atrocity you choose to commit to achieve your new world order.

It doesn't matter to the fundies, they will twist it around so that a robot is an atheist and kills in the name of atheism because that's his god.

[Seth]

Has anyone ever killed anyone else in the name of atheism?

Yes. Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot among other socialists and communists.

People kill others on a grand scale because of dogma, be that religiously, socially, or politically inspired. You can add atheism into your political or social ideal, if you choose to disavow existing religions, but it does not make atheism the cause of whatever atrocity you choose to commit to achieve your new world order.

It doesn't matter whether atheism is the "cause", all that matters is that the facts of history prove that atheists are more likely to kill people in great numbers than people of religion. Atheists are untrustworthy in that regard because nothing but their own sense of morals and ethics constrains them. Margaret Sanger, by way of example, was an atheist, a socialist, a radical, a racist and an eugenicist who advocated forced sterilization of "inferior" peoples, including blacks. That's why Planned Parenthood, which she founded, puts most of its abortion facilities in minority neighborhoods and why PP provides most of its abortions to blacks and other minorities as it carries on Sanger's sub-rosa eugenics program even today.

Does it matter that she didn't "kill anyone else in the name of atheism?" Nope. It just matters that because she was an atheist, she had (unlike her devoutly Catholic mother) no moral compass or respect for the sanctity of human life.

Plenty of other atheists have the same moral defect. This is not to say that all atheists are amoral scumbags, just many of them, and some of those have perpetrated the worst mass murders in history.

[Seth]

I thought the smallpox blankets thing was a myth?

Not quite a myth. It's true that Lord Jeffery Amherst, commander of British forces in the Colonies during the French and Indian Wars of 1754-1763, did discuss the possibility of infecting Indians with smallpox using blankets in some letters, but there is no actual evidence that this actually occurred. Most reliable authorities agree that smallpox circulated among the Indians through contact with settlers who were infected but had immunities that the Indians did not. The United States worked very hard once a smallpox vaccine was developed to vaccinate as many members of the Indian tribes as it could in order to stop the spread of the disease.

And I'd like to make note of the fact that it was a BRITISH OFFICER who thought up the idea, not an American...since the United States did not exist at the time, and those sort of terror tactics perpetrated by the British were a large part of the reason that the Colonies rebelled and kicked the British out in the first place.

Fucking British imperialist barbarians!

[Animavore]

I thought the smallpox blankets thing was a myth?

Not quite a myth. It's true that Lord Jeffery Amherst, commander of British forces in the Colonies during the French and Indian Wars of 1754-1763, did discuss the possibility of infecting Indians with smallpox using blankets in some letters, but there is no actual evidence that this actually occurred. Most reliable authorities agree that smallpox circulated among the Indians through contact with settlers who were infected but had immunities that the Indians did not. The United States worked very hard once a smallpox vaccine was developed to vaccinate as many members of the Indian tribes as it could in order to stop the spread of the disease.

And I'd like to make note of the fact that it was a BRITISH OFFICER who thought up the idea, not an American...since the United States did not exist at the time, and those sort of terror tactics perpetrated by the British were a large part of the reason that the Colonies rebelled and kicked the British out in the first place.

Fucking British imperialist barbarians!

Yeah. We had similar problems with them. Bloody Brits

[Audley Strange]

If we tally up all the serial killers inspired by Satan we might be up to about, at best, a few thousand.

That settles it. Atheism is out.

HAIL LUCIFER!!!

[Animavore]

Has anyone ever killed anyone else in the name of atheism?

Yes. Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot among other socialists and communists.

People kill others on a grand scale because of dogma, be that religiously, socially, or politically inspired. You can add atheism into your political or social ideal, if you choose to disavow existing religions, but it does not make atheism the cause of whatever atrocity you choose to commit to achieve your new world order.

It doesn't matter whether atheism is the "cause", all that matters is that the facts of history prove that atheists are more likely to kill people in great numbers than people of religion. Atheists are untrustworthy in that regard because nothing but their own sense of morals and ethics constrains them. Margaret Sanger, by way of example, was an atheist, a socialist, a radical, a racist and an eugenicist who advocated forced sterilization of "inferior" peoples, including blacks. That's why Planned Parenthood, which she founded, puts most of its abortion facilities in minority neighborhoods and why PP provides most of its abortions to blacks and other minorities as it carries on Sanger's sub-rosa eugenics program even today.

Does it matter that she didn't "kill anyone else in the name of atheism?" Nope. It just matters that because she was an atheist, she had (unlike her devoutly Catholic mother) no moral compass or respect for the sanctity of human life.

Plenty of other atheists have the same moral defect. This is not to say that all atheists are amoral scumbags, just many of them, and some of those have perpetrated the worst mass murders in history.

Are you really going to go down that "no moral compass" road? I mean, seriously!
The idea of blacks being inferior is not an 'atheist' thing. Plenty of Christians supported eugenics leading to World War II and a few churches in Europe still have the Great Chain of Being painted on their columns which show God at the top followed by archangels, then angels, white man above white woman and below them people of colour followed by birds, land animals, fish and insects. And let us not forget the KKK and their Hamite view on human divergence.

Anyway. All this tit-for-tat arguing over who done what (remember the Way Back Fallacy?) does nothing for any arguments for or against theism/atheism. Being an evil scumbag is not confined to any religious groups, cultures, races, sexes or social classes. It doesn't prove shit to point at anything any group has done.