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Re: How do we attract Skepchicks to sign up here?

Post by Doubtdispelled » Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:57 pm

hadespussercats wrote: Though as I recall, Greta Christina has also said (in a quote I read from A+ forum) that in cases where she was discussing her sex-positivism/enjoyment of porn, and other controversial pursuits, that she was very frustrated by the fact that other feminists were so ready to apply the "chill girl" label to her-- that she couldn't possibly really enjoy those things, that she was actually brainwashed by the patriarchy, etc.

She said it was very frustrating.

So, it can be a useful tag, or a limiting one-- even according to feminists at the forefront of A+.
Ain't that the truth, Hades. That it's frustrating, I mean.

Even before we can get to think about the crap that is being hurled at us (women) by some men, we have to wade through similar piles put in our way by other women.
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Post by Doubtdispelled » Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:00 pm

Audley Strange wrote:I think it's an awful thing to call someone. It reminds me of "sheeple" or "house nigger".
Ah, but did you know what the actual current definition of it was before I posted it?
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Post by Audley Strange » Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:07 pm

Yes actually I did. I've been paying this debaclé very close attention. In essence it is a word that says "it's not they disagree with our beliefs, we must also believe they're asleep/hypnotised/collaborators"

It's comedy.
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Post by Doubtdispelled » Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:11 pm

Audley Strange wrote:Yes actually I did. I've been paying this debaclé very close attention. In essence it is a word that says "it's not they disagree with our beliefs, we must also believe they're asleep/hypnotised/collaborators"

It's comedy.
Que?

Edit: Wait. So it's a debacle? In that case, don't bother to elaborate further because I suspect I won't be interested in further explanation of your opinion.
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Post by Audley Strange » Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:35 pm

Doubtdispelled wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:Yes actually I did. I've been paying this debaclé very close attention. In essence it is a word that says "it's not they disagree with our beliefs, we must also believe they're asleep/hypnotised/collaborators"

It's comedy.
Que?
whether consciously or un- -- denying sexism/ misogyny, and even perpetuating it in ugly ways, in order to gain male approval.
Person A using the word assumes a problem with sexism and misogyny. Person B being called it does not agree.

The opinion of Person A is that their belief that there is a problem with sexism and misogyny is objective fact so persons B's disagreement can be discounted because either conciously or unconciously the person disagreeing is doing so because they seek male approval, thus proving person A's belief right. Person B is not just someone who disagrees but part of an recognised social group of "chill girls"

So in turn, let's say I recognise a phenomena of whining snowflakes who's damsel in distress and flouncing routines make a mockery of universal suffrage, women's rights and currently the atheism/skeptic networks in order to get as much male attention as they can. It doesn't matter that the attention is positive or negative, as long as they are the centre of it. Would it be acceptable to label them attention whores?

I mean if it's fair game it's fair game right?

It's a terrible tactic and another reason women with any sense should be opposing such behaviour, it has made feminism a laughing stock and is pushing away a lot of people who support fundamentally support women's rights as human rights.
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Post by Bella Fortuna » Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:21 am

Audley Strange wrote:Yes actually I did. I've been paying this debaclé very close attention. In essence it is a word that says "it's not they disagree with our beliefs, we must also believe they're asleep/hypnotised/collaborators"

It's comedy.
Also such labeling is convenient for being dismissive and collapsing someone's opinions into one insulting dimension. Not unique to this particular term, of course.
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Post by JimC » Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:24 am

Has anybody suggested laying a trail of crumbs yet?
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Post by Bella Fortuna » Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:26 am

JimC wrote:Has anybody suggested laying a trail of crumbs yet?
The crumbled remnants of our self-respect? :teef:
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Post by hadespussercats » Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:31 am

Useful doesn't equal good.

Lots of people found the term "Uncle Tom" to be useful.

I wish that there were more places where dissent wasn't seen to be the same as hatred, and the fact of two people examining the same information and drawing different conclusions wasn't seen as a sign that one of them must be brainwashed, lying, or stupid.

Sorry. Back to the discussion at hand. Whatever it is?
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Post by Animavore » Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:33 am

My nieces find the term "Uncle Tom" useful. I hate it though. Just call me 'Thomas'. Labels piss me off (even 'Thomas') :gaah:
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Post by Hermit » Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:04 am

hadespussercats wrote:I wish that there were more places where dissent wasn't seen to be the same as hatred, and the fact of two people examining the same information and drawing different conclusions wasn't seen as a sign that one of them must be brainwashed, lying, or stupid.

Sorry. Back to the discussion at hand. Whatever it is?
No need to apologise. It's nice to read a concise encapsulation of a situation, and this is one example that can be neatly segued to this thread's title: Those members of Skepchicks who do not equate a lack of extreme political correctness as misogyny and who do not consider early morning pickup lines uttered in elevators or pointed writing on t-shirts as unacceptable will find their own way here. In other words, there's nothing we can do to attract skepchicks to sign up here that does not involve turning this forum into what they have at their own site already.
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Post by Azathoth » Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:18 am

Animavore wrote:My nieces find the term "Uncle Tom" useful. I hate it though. Just call me 'Thomas'. Labels piss me off (even 'Thomas') :gaah:
I an't a Christian like you, Eliza; my heart's full of bitterness

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Post by hadespussercats » Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:52 am

Azathoth wrote:
Animavore wrote:My nieces find the term "Uncle Tom" useful. I hate it though. Just call me 'Thomas'. Labels piss me off (even 'Thomas') :gaah:
I an't a Christian like you, Eliza; my heart's full of bitterness

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Post by Bella Fortuna » Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:53 am

hadespussercats wrote:
Azathoth wrote:
Animavore wrote:My nieces find the term "Uncle Tom" useful. I hate it though. Just call me 'Thomas'. Labels piss me off (even 'Thomas') :gaah:
I an't a Christian like you, Eliza; my heart's full of bitterness

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Post by surreptitious57 » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:23 pm

hadespussercats wrote:
I wish that there were more places where dissent wasn't seen to be the same as hatred
I wish that there were only places where dissent wasn't seen to be the same as hatred
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