So, PZ is laying down some roolz.

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So, PZ is laying down some roolz.

Post by tantamount » Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:17 am

So, TF throws this rock in FTB's pond and it just keeps rippling. FTB's now instituted some rules. It's like their pants fell down and now they're working out what a belt is. Still some kinks. I think they sound more intelligent in LOL-CATS Standard:
  • 1. We’re an atheism+social justice+science network…we were Atheism+ before there was an Atheism+. Get used to it. [pre][We iz a libral plase! We wuz in yur atheizm killin' yur godz before you wuz. Go, if u do not want!][/pre]

    2. Big picture management is by an executive committee. It’s not democratic, because its job is to just get stuff done. [pre][We do what we likez.][/pre]

    3. There is a confidential backchannel to discuss management issues. And gossip. [pre][We talkz.][/pre]

    4. No rules to regulate individual blogs. [pre][We let otherz talkz. See, there wuz roolz for indivijul blogz when we pwnd TF and Laden. But itz ok now. Invisibl roolz now.][/pre]

    5. You want to join FtB? Don’t call us, we’ll call you. Membership is largely decided democratically, with some mandated vetting procedures and final approval in the hands of the executive committee. [pre][We iz privat and sekret. Shh...][/pre]

    6. You want to get kicked off FtB? Act like a raging asshat and the executive committee will oblige you. [pre][Well, yeh, there iz roolz. Wuz kidding about rool #4.][/pre]
Nothing is new or exceptional in these rules, except that they felt the need to broadcast them. They seem embarrassed about the fact that they had a backchannel in the first place. (Because of the cattiness that's seeped out from the little we know about it? Who knows.) And only FTB would say "no rules regulate individual blogs" when of course rules exist for individual blogs; but it just sounds so freethought-y, so they leave it in, even though it means nothing.
The Executive Committee has two permanent members: The membership of the committee will consist of: Ed Brayton and PZ Myers
So, when some persons object to "equating PZ with FTB," I guess they have a point. PZ is equal to 1/2 of FTB.
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Wow, what if this were the policy for the actual Comments section of blogs like PZ's? What if the purpose of the Comments section of his blog (or even the blog itself?!) were to encourage open communications between members where all discussions would be civil, drama would be frowned upon, and personal abuse would not be tolerated. What a world we might be living in, if only there were but the will.
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"Never undertaken casually" = "We really hated you, TF."
As for "personal animus and disagreement on style or focus": this seemed to be close to the reason TF was terminated. If only these rules had been in place-- TF wouldn't've been booted!

I don't mind a blog being dictatorial. It's their blog. They can do what they want. They can have all the backchannel kaffeeklatsch their hearts desire. They can hire and fire whom they wish, when they wish. But they seem to want to have it both ways. Being dictatorial and appearing open and democratic. You are a thug, PZ. Own it!

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Re: So, PZ is laying down some roolz.

Post by charlou » Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:20 am

haaaaayawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn
no fences

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Post by Tyrannical » Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:35 am

What the hell does "social justice" have to do with anything?
A rational skeptic should be able to discuss and debate anything, no matter how much they may personally disagree with that point of view. Discussing a subject is not agreeing with it, but understanding it.

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Post by Jaygray » Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:00 am

Tyrannical wrote:What the hell does "social justice" have to do with anything?
Two buzz-words, two syllables each, sounds cool without actually meaning anything. Brilliant. :relax:

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Post by normal » Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:43 am

RiverF wrote:haaaaayawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn
:this:
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:13 am

normal wrote:
RiverF wrote:haaaaayawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn
:this:
I second the motion.
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Post by Robert_S » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:33 am

Nooooooo!!!!

All threads and posts that are not about PZ and the Skepchicks are part of a plot hatched by the misogynist MRA patriarchy to silence them by consigning them to obscurity. :timewarp:
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Post by JimC » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:36 am

I think we are actually fortunate, having gone through the expulsion from RDF and all the rest...

We have learned things about freedom of speech and compromise...
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Post by Tero » Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:22 am

It's run just like the Boyscouts.

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Post by Mysturji » Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:39 pm

Tero wrote:It's run just like the Boyscouts.
Are you calling PZ a paedophile? :think:
Oh, wait. No. I was thinking of the Catholic Church.
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Post by The Curious Squid » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:43 pm

JimC wrote:I think we are actually fortunate, having gone through the expulsion from RDF and all the rest...

We have learned things about freedom of speech and compromise...
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Post by Gerald McGrew » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:54 pm

Tyrannical wrote:What the hell does "social justice" have to do with anything?
Ironically, it's a good example of the type of "framing" PZ used to criticize Chris Mooney for. See, now if you speak out against FtB, well then you must be against "social justice"!

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Post by Jason » Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:06 pm

"Welcome to FreeThought Burger. May I take your order?"
"Yeah, I'll have the Social Justice meal with Freedom Fries, a large Egalitarian Shake, and some extra Mansplaining in the bag."

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Post by Bella Fortuna » Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:28 pm

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Post by Jason » Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:32 pm

:hehe:

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