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Missouri puts prayers back in skool...

Post by FBM » Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:57 am

MO Amendment 2: 83% in favor. 17% against.

http://fox4kc.com/election-results/

It's an amendment to the MO constitution that allows kids to pray in school, as long as they're not disruptive, and avoid any kind of instruction or homework that violates their religious bleefs.

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Missouri Public Prayer Amendment, Amendment 2 (August 2012)

The Missouri Public Prayer Amendment, also known as Amendment 2, was on the August 7, 2012 primary election ballot in the state of Missouri as a legislatively-referred constitutional amendment, where it was approved.

According to the text of the measure, the amendment would guarantee state residents the right to express religious beliefs and also would allow students in public schools to pray and acknowledge their religion voluntarily. The proposal was sponsored by Rep. Mike McGhee.[1][2][3]

According to supporters, the measure would protect the right of residents and students to practice their own religious beliefs. Supporters said that it was essential to the fundamental right of practicing one's own faith.

According to opponents, the measure was not necessary because faith could be freely practiced in the state already. Also, opponents argued that the measure would do more harm than good for public schools because the measure did not specify what can constitute a "religious belief".
Oddly enough, I pretty much agree with them. :ddpan:

It may be stoopid, but it's their right to practice their stoopidity, no? As long as the public skulz aren't funding any support for religious activities, and as long as they aren't allowed to disrupt anything.

Also, the initial info that said the students would be able to avoid instruction or homework that violates their religious bleefs disappeared from the final version, it seems. For me, that was the most contentious part, anyway...


EDIT: No, wait...found it deeply embedded in there... :what:
Constitutional changes

The measure repealed Section 5, Article I of the Missouri Constitution and replaced it with a new Section 5:[6]

Section 5, Article I

Section 5. That all men and women have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own consciences; that no human authority can control or interfere with the rights of conscience; that no person shall, on account of his or her religious persuasion or belief, be rendered ineligible to any public office or trust or profit in this state, be disqualified from testifying or serving as a juror, or be molested in his or her person or estate; that to secure a citizen's right to acknowledge Almighty God according to the dictates of his or her own conscience, neither the state nor any of its political subdivisions shall establish any official religion, nor shall a citizen's right to pray or express his or her religious beliefs be infringed; that the state shall not coerce any person to participate in any prayer or other religious activity, but shall ensure that any person shall have the right to pray individually or corporately in a private or public setting so long as such prayer does not result in disturbance of the peace or disruption of a public meeting or assembly; that citizens as well as elected officials and employees of the state of Missouri and its political subdivisions shall have the right to pray on government premises and public property so long as such prayers abide within the same parameters placed upon any other free speech under similar circumstances; that the General Assembly and the governing bodies of political subdivisions may extend to ministers, clergypersons, and other individuals the privilege to offer invocations or other prayers at meetings or sessions of the General Assembly or governing bodies; that students may express their beliefs about religion in written and oral assignments free from discrimination based on the religious content of their work; that no student shall be compelled to perform or participate in academic assignments or educational presentations that violate his or her religious beliefs; that the state shall ensure public school students their right to free exercise of religious expression without interference, as long as such prayer or other expression is private and voluntary, whether individually or corporately, and in a manner that is not disruptive and as long as such prayers or expressions abide within the same parameters placed upon any other free speech under similar circumstances; and, to emphasize the right to free exercise of religious expression, that all free public schools receiving state appropriations shall display, in a conspicuous and legible manner, the text of the Bill of Rights of the Constitution of the United States; but this section shall not be construed to expand the rights of prisoners in state or local custody beyond those afforded by the laws of the United States, excuse acts of licentiousness, nor to justify practices inconsistent with the good order, peace or safety of the state, or with the rights of others.
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Re: Missouri puts prayers back in skool...

Post by Clinton Huxley » Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:30 am

Missouri? Doomed.
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Post by FBM » Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:43 am

Clinton Huxley wrote:Missouri? Doomed.
Worse than Rationalia, I'd say...
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Post by Ayaan » Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:45 am

All I have to say: :fp: :nono:
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Post by FBM » Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:48 am

Ayaan wrote:All I have to say: :fp: :nono:

At least it's not your home state. :console:
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:42 am

It's basically saying that the children of fundamentalists should not be taught......science.
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Post by FBM » Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:54 am

Precisely. Or logic, I presume.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:39 am

I hope this one makes it to SCOTUS.
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Post by klr » Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:41 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:I hope this one makes it to SCOTUS.
Missouri, meet the First Amendment. :read:
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:45 am

klr wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:I hope this one makes it to SCOTUS.
Missouri, meet the First Amendment. :read:
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Does this mean if any students who believe in Islam take themselves to a quiet corner out of the way they can pray to Allah? If so that will really piss the fundies off.
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Twoflower wrote:Does this mean if any students who believe in Islam take themselves to a quiet corner out of the way they can pray to Allah? If so that will really piss the fundies off.
It also legalizes atheism in this hick-fuck state.
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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Twoflower wrote:Does this mean if any students who believe in Islam take themselves to a quiet corner out of the way they can pray to Allah? If so that will really piss the fundies off.
It also legalizes atheism in this hick-fuck state.
I bet the advocates of the bill didn't see that coming. :cheer:
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:31 pm

Twoflower wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Twoflower wrote:Does this mean if any students who believe in Islam take themselves to a quiet corner out of the way they can pray to Allah? If so that will really piss the fundies off.
It also legalizes atheism in this hick-fuck state.
I bet the advocates of the bill didn't see that coming. :cheer:
You think they thought of anything but "This is for the greater glory of God!"? :thinks:
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Post by Seth » Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:47 am

Will likely be thrown out based on the highlighted words in the amendment:
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Constitutional changes

The measure repealed Section 5, Article I of the Missouri Constitution and replaced it with a new Section 5:[6]

Section 5, Article I

Section 5. That all men and women have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own consciences; that no human authority can control or interfere with the rights of conscience; that no person shall, on account of his or her religious persuasion or belief, be rendered ineligible to any public office or trust or profit in this state, be disqualified from testifying or serving as a juror, or be molested in his or her person or estate; that to secure a citizen's right to acknowledge Almighty God according to the dictates of his or her own conscience, neither the state nor any of its political subdivisions shall establish any official religion, nor shall a citizen's right to pray or express his or her religious beliefs be infringed; that the state shall not coerce any person to participate in any prayer or other religious activity, but shall ensure that any person shall have the right to pray individually or corporately in a private or public setting so long as such prayer does not result in disturbance of the peace or disruption of a public meeting or assembly; that citizens as well as elected officials and employees of the state of Missouri and its political subdivisions shall have the right to pray on government premises and public property so long as such prayers abide within the same parameters placed upon any other free speech under similar circumstances; that the General Assembly and the governing bodies of political subdivisions may extend to ministers, clergypersons, and other individuals the privilege to offer invocations or other prayers at meetings or sessions of the General Assembly or governing bodies; that students may express their beliefs about religion in written and oral assignments free from discrimination based on the religious content of their work; that no student shall be compelled to perform or participate in academic assignments or educational presentations that violate his or her religious beliefs; that the state shall ensure public school students their right to free exercise of religious expression without interference, as long as such prayer or other expression is private and voluntary, whether individually or corporately, and in a manner that is not disruptive and as long as such prayers or expressions abide within the same parameters placed upon any other free speech under similar circumstances; and, to emphasize the right to free exercise of religious expression, that all free public schools receiving state appropriations shall display, in a conspicuous and legible manner, the text of the Bill of Rights of the Constitution of the United States; but this section shall not be construed to expand the rights of prisoners in state or local custody beyond those afforded by the laws of the United States, excuse acts of licentiousness, nor to justify practices inconsistent with the good order, peace or safety of the state, or with the rights of others.
Remove "Almighty God" and replace "prayer" with "religious expression" and it would pass Constitutional muster I think.
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