Those who have come from Pz's blog, aka THAT thread

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I've been just as disillusioned by skepchicks the like, but I think you're starting to swing into denial territory...

We range far and freely. You're welcome to tag along or start your tangent. That's what Ratz is about, free thought.

I know, that's why i'm back and why i felt perfectly comfortable sharing that view

Excellent! I hoped we'd get a few interesting new people out of this. Have a lizard hug.

[Coito ergo sum]

The problems "women" face involve things like consent to sex and rape, hiring/firing/pay disparity based on sex rather than job-related things, and the like, equal access to education, etc. These are things that have been solved.

[citation needed]

In the majority of U.S. metro areas, single women with no children in their 20s outearned their male peers, according to Time's story. In Dallas, for example, a 20-something woman makes $1.18 to a man's $1.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/2 ... 68328.html

"Women 30 and under make more money, on average, than their male counterparts in all but three of the largest cities in the U.S.,"

In a widely read piece in The Atlantic last year, entitled "The End of Men," Hanna Rosin also noted that women now comprise a majority of the workforce and more than half of all managers.

Women dominate today’s colleges and professional schools--for every two men who will receive a B.A. this year, three women will do the same. Of the 15 job categories projected to grow the most in the next decade in the U.S., all but two are occupied primarily by women.

By way of example....

[Thinking Aloud]

Excellent! I hoped we'd get a few interesting new people out of this. Have a lizard hug.

Have you been hugging office buildings again?

[Coito ergo sum]

They've been solved because the law says so, right? The problem is that those laws aren't always followed or enforced correctly and that's where change needs to happen. If you have a law against rape and women are still getting raped just as much, that problem isn't solved.

Yes, but the law doesn't concern itself with what people "think" and "feel," only what they do. I don't consider how some men "view" women, or women "view" men, as things the law can or should regulate.

The complaints now are trifling. "Some guy hit on me. Some men make rude comments and appear to be more concerned with the shape of my ass/tits than my mind." Oh, well -- deal.

It's those sort of trifling complaints that make make it harder for the real issues to be heard.

What are the real issues you're referring to there?

[Kristie]

Math and science come easy to some, while Shakespeare is beyond their mental grasp.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done vectorially.

Yeah, I'm one of those people.....

[Thinking Aloud]

Math and science come easy to some, while Shakespeare is beyond their mental grasp.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done vectorially.

Yeah, I'm one of those people.....

Are you trying to get me started on matrices?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Excellent! I hoped we'd get a few interesting new people out of this. Have a lizard hug.

Have you been hugging office buildings again?

[Kristie]

Math and science come easy to some, while Shakespeare is beyond their mental grasp.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done vectorially.

Yeah, I'm one of those people.....

Are you trying to get me started on matrices?

[cogwheel]

I know, that's why i'm back and why i felt perfectly comfortable sharing that view

Excellent! I hoped we'd get a few interesting new people out of this. Have a lizard hug.

I guess it's been long enough that I can't begrudge you forgetting me*, so I'll accept your lizard hug of greeting


* Actually, I can't begrudge anyone for forgetting anything... my memory is like a sieve sometimes -_-

[Coito ergo sum]

If all the "Communications" majors at Skepchick would have gotten engineering, medical, or science-related degrees, they would do far more good....

"Science is awesome!"

You forget that comm majors are usually those who can't cut the mustards in humanities, let alone science.

Or maybe they're just more interested in communications.

Sure, but it's really a very easy major, relatively speaking.

What's your point? Why major in a difficult field if you want to be a writer? And, difficult to one person is simple to another. Math and science come easy to some, while Shakespeare is beyond their mental grasp.

But, it's not a matter of majoring in a difficult field for its own sake. It's that these Skepchick communications majors pontificate on sciencey issues, and ridicule those who don't glom on to the latest thing they just read an article about. They pretend to know something about which they really know next to nothing.

Shakespeare is largely beyond the mental grasp of Communications majors, too.

[Wumbologist]

Yes, but the law doesn't concern itself with what people "think" and "feel," only what they do. I don't consider how some men "view" women, or women "view" men, as things the law can or should regulate.

I'm not saying that the law can or should regulate how people view each other. But as people who exist within a larger society we can certainly work to influence people through reason in order to change how some people view others who are different from them, and make it clear that as a society we find that sort of thing unacceptable.

What are the real issues you're referring to there?

The continued existence of sexism despite legislation opposing it, not to mention issues like domestic and sexual violence against women.

[orpheus]

Math and science come easy to some, while Shakespeare is beyond their mental grasp.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done vectorially.

Yeah, I'm one of those people.....

Are you trying to get me started on matrices?

Klapaucius thought, and thought some more. Finally he nodded and said:

"Very well. Let's have a love poem, lyrical, pastoral, and expressed in the language of pure mathematics. Tensor algebra mainly, with a little topology and higher calculus, if need be. But with feeling, you understand, and in the cybernetic spirit."

"Love and tensor algebra? Have you taken leave of your senses?" Trurl began, but stopped, for his electronic bard was already declaiming:

Come, let us hasten to a higher plane,
Where dyads tread the fairy fields of Venn,
Their indices bedecked from one to n,
Commingled in an endless Markov chain!

Come, every frustum longs to be a cone,
And every vector dreams of matrices.
Hark to the gentle gradient of the breeze:
It whispers of a more ergodic zone.

In Riemann, Hilbert, or in Banach space
Let superscripts and subscripts go their ways.
Our asymptotes no longer out of phase,
We shall encounter, counting, face to face.

I'll grant thee random access to my heart,
Thou'lt tell me all the constants of thy love;
And so we two shall all love's lemmas prove,
And in our bound partition never part.

For what did Cauchy know, or Christoffel,
Or Fourier, or any Boole or Euler,
Wielding their compasses, their pens and rulers,
Of thy supernal sinusoidal spell?

Cancel me not -- for what then shall remain?
Abscissas, some mantissas, modules, modes,
A root or two, a torus and a node:
The inverse of my verse, a null domain.

Ellipse of bliss, converge, O lips divine!
The product of our scalars is defined!
Cyberiad draws nigh, and the skew mind
Cuts capers like a happy haversine.

I see the eigenvalue in thine eye,
I hear the tender tensor in thy sigh.
Bernoulli would have been content to die,
Had he but known such a2 cos 2 phi

(from The Cyberiad)

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I know, that's why i'm back and why i felt perfectly comfortable sharing that view

Excellent! I hoped we'd get a few interesting new people out of this. Have a lizard hug.

I guess it's been long enough that I can't begrudge you forgetting me*, so I'll accept your lizard hug of greeting


* Actually, I can't begrudge anyone for forgetting anything... my memory is like a sieve sometimes -_-

Getting you back is as good as getting a new person. I hope you hang around.

[cogwheel]

The problems "women" face involve things like consent to sex and rape, hiring/firing/pay disparity based on sex rather than job-related things, and the like, equal access to education, etc. These are things that have been solved.

[citation needed]

In the majority of U.S. metro areas, single women with no children in their 20s outearned their male peers, according to Time's story. In Dallas, for example, a 20-something woman makes $1.18 to a man's $1.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/2 ... 68328.html

"Women 30 and under make more money, on average, than their male counterparts in all but three of the largest cities in the U.S.,"

In a widely read piece in The Atlantic last year, entitled "The End of Men," Hanna Rosin also noted that women now comprise a majority of the workforce and more than half of all managers.

Women dominate today’s colleges and professional schools--for every two men who will receive a B.A. this year, three women will do the same. Of the 15 job categories projected to grow the most in the next decade in the U.S., all but two are occupied primarily by women.

By way of example....

Here are another few choice snippets from that article (emphasis mine):

Forget equality for women, the fairer sex is on pace to outrun men when it comes to making money.

the majority of working wives will out-earn their husbands in the next generation

Women may be outearning men at the beginning of their careers--but that story flips higher up the professional food chain. Some research has shown that there is an 40 percent pay gap between women and men with business school degrees, 10 years out from graduate school. In the end, on average, women still only make 81 cents to the dollar.

Still sounds like an ongoing problem to me.

[Coito ergo sum]

Yes, but the law doesn't concern itself with what people "think" and "feel," only what they do. I don't consider how some men "view" women, or women "view" men, as things the law can or should regulate.

I'm not saying that the law can or should regulate how people view each other. But as people who exist within a larger society we can certainly work to influence people through reason in order to change how some people view others who are different from them, and make it clear that as a society we find that sort of thing unacceptable.

Have at it.

What are the real issues you're referring to there?

The continued existence of sexism despite legislation opposing it, not to mention issues like domestic and sexual violence against women.

Sexism like what? If you're talking about employment, education and that sort of thing -- already addressed. What specific areas are you referring to? Dating? Jokes? Conversation? Cigar bars? Strip clubs?

There isn't any legislation opposing "sexism" in general, though, nor could there be. People are free to be sexist, and it would be a horrid world if they weren't.

Sexual violence against women is illegal. I'm all for increasing the enforcement of that, as is almost everyone, I suspect. There really isn't a pro-sexual violence against women lobby.