Those who have come from Pz's blog, aka THAT thread

[Animavore]

They should take on Fox.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I agree with C.E.S., they've fallen into a habit of sniping and getting sniped at, so much so that they've developed a classic "us vs. them" attitude. Pity, PZ used to be interesting reading. Now he's donned the white hassock with the red cross on the chest and back.

Oh well, the Crusades weren't dull. Stupid, but not dull.

Except the sieges. Krak de Chevaliers, aka Pharyngula.

[Audley Strange]

What I want to know is, what is the goal?

The eradication of masculinity even as a concept.

At least by those most frightened by the concept. RATIONAL folks realize there's no need to be so extreme in anything.

When I say that. When I say there are feminists whose goal is the eradication of masculinity even as a concept. It sounds paranoid doesn't it? I'd accept that if
I was frightened by them or I was imagining the things they say. I'm not. A quick perusal of their rantings shows that they actually consider men as flaws or inferior.

Why should I respect a stupid cunt who thinks that? Especially when this is all done under the lie of "equality."

On the other hand they are paranoid by any clinical definition as well as seeming to suffer from self fulfilling persecution complexes and a whole host of instability and socialisation issues. They have shown time and time again they have no self awareness of the problem and we should consider their words as carefully as we should consider other nutcases with crackpot ideologies, with utter contempt. We should not be attempting to negotiate with them it validates their insanity.

I think if anyone had any sympathy left for them the community would be trying to rally an intervention to help, but seems to me most people have lost patience with them. All that is left is to ignore them and walk away.

I would imagine that one day we'll find them all dead at their compound in white dresses in some sort of revolutionary suicide action, that's if the ATF don't end up shooting them all for selling baby boys to the Taliban to fight against the White Male Imperial Oppressors.

[Coito ergo sum]

A lot of the online threats and harassment are anonymous, yes. But at TAM I dealt with a lot of real people who, while they never touched me, they did things like make fake Surly-Ramics necklaces with words on them that mocked things I said online and there were actual people live blogging from the event saying things like I was part of an ‘axis’ that was trying to destroy the event and people celebrating T-shirts that served to make me feel like an outcast and people singing songs that said we ‘should pull the sticks out of our ass’ etc. So sometimes, yes, I have to deal with actual people IRL. None of those in real life trolls at TAM got within 10ft of me though (that I am aware of) and it’s not often that I encounter those types of people as I do my best not to be around that group.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... -amy-said/

Fake surly-ramics necklaces, lol, with "words that mocked things I said online"
People "said things like I was part of an axis that was trying to destroy the event"
Celebrating t-shirts that served to make me feel like an outcast
People singing songs asking us to pull the sticks out of our asses.

Nobody touched her or came within 10 feet of her, though.

Picture a male making this complaint. Imagine Thunderf00t stating that people made necklaces mocking the things he said online, and stating that he was part of some "axis." And, imagine him complaining about t-shirts making fun of Thunderf00t or telling him to "don't be a dick" or something like that....

Would anyone take this shit seriously?

And, then she [Ophelia Benson] goes on without recognizing her own hypocrisy, citing the following as a blogger hitting the nail on the head:

The things that really dig at me are the people who have been allies or should be allies that no longer are because their widdow feewings were hurt. People like Emery Emery who when the elevator incident occurred backed Rebecca but has somewhere since switched over to misrepresenting Rebecca and the FTBlogger’s position and then writing them off. Organizations like JREF who don’t feel the need to lay out a clear anti-harassment policy yet feel the need to blame anyone who suggests they should have one as hurting the attendance to their fundraiser (which is what TAM really is). People like Paula Kirby who seems to be operating under the delusion that if she can’t see something that it doesn’t exist and feels the need to shut up those who point out where she might be wrong (and her herd of lick-spittle sycophants that seem to be overly represented by philosophy students for some reason).

Right,Skepchicks... -- nobody can say "I am not a skepchick" on a t-shirt, because it HURTS YOUR WIDDOW FEEWINGS, and those who agree with Paula are "lick spittle sycophants." It's beyond the pale for folks to suggest that you get a stick out of your ass, though. Right? You think it "hits the mark" to berate people like this blogger did -- but, no way should anyone be able to suggest similar things about you.

LOL -- what a fucking huge, throbbing joke the Skepchicks are.

Oh, you run home crying because someone wore a t-shirt and folks made Surly-ramics? But, you have the unmitigated gall to suggest that OTHER PEOPLE had their "widdow feewings" hurt? It is enough to make a cat laugh...

[Svartalf]

Why is rape so taboo to joke about, but most other violence acts not?

I just think we can either make jokes about everything violent/horrible or we can't. There should be no special pleading for rape. And isn't that what feminism is truly about? Equality or what not?

It is a very common theme in the world of humor.

Irreverent, tasteless and/or impertinent jokes are fine, as long as they're not about one's own sacred cow. It's a difficult thing to overcome, and many folks never do. Among skeptics and atheists, we see a common example in relation to religion. Religious people have no right to claim offense and have that offense respected. The hurt most of us mete out to religious people is reveled in. Hardly anyone gives a fuck.

The Skepchicks and Myers are all about ridicule and humorous mocking as a tool against certain people. However, if someone makes a joke about their sacred cow, THAT crosses the line.

So they are religious by nature are they not?

[Wumbologist]

When I say that. When I say there are feminists whose goal is the eradication of masculinity even as a concept. It sounds paranoid doesn't it? I'd accept that if
I was frightened by them or I was imagining the things they say. I'm not. A quick perusal of their rantings shows that they actually consider men as flaws or inferior.

It really is sad for the legitimate cause of feminism, which still has so much work to do in making the world equal for women, that they are held back by these foaming at the mouth misandrists posing as feminists.

I love women. I have more female friends than male friends, and typically get along with women better. I think they should be equal to me. But they shouldn't be pandered to, or given special preferential treatment to make them "more equal" than men or to give them an unnecessary leg up towards supposed equality, when I think they are perfectly capable of pulling their weight without any help.

[Coito ergo sum]

I don't know if I would call it religious.

I just see a difference in attitude between folks who actually do something or know something, and folks with "communications" majors who read middle school level books like "Bad Astronomy" ...and then claim to have knowledge on a subject.

They pretty much glom on to what they think is the appropriate thing to believe, and then run around suggesting that everyone who doesn't agree is stupid.

That's my hunch how "party girls" Skepchicks went from "science is sexy" and let's get all racy and rowdy, to Catharine Mackinnon/Andrea Dworkin Feminism in a few short months. Somebody over there read a book about feminism, and now they're running around telling everyone what they "gotta learn."

[Wumbologist]

Catharine Mackinnon/Andrea Dworkin Feminism in a few short months.

I wouldn't say they're quite to that point yet but they're certainly making tracks in that direction. Truly scary stuff, that.

[Coito ergo sum]

When I say that. When I say there are feminists whose goal is the eradication of masculinity even as a concept. It sounds paranoid doesn't it? I'd accept that if
I was frightened by them or I was imagining the things they say. I'm not. A quick perusal of their rantings shows that they actually consider men as flaws or inferior.

It really is sad for the legitimate cause of feminism, which still has so much work to do in making the world equal for women, that they are held back by these foaming at the mouth misandrists posing as feminists.

In the western world, it seems, there really isn't that much more work to do, is there? Women are treated equally, generally speaking. There are areas where men and women aren't exactly identical, but under the law they are treated equally.

[Hermit]

They pretty much glom on to what they think is the appropriate thing to believe, and then run around suggesting that everyone who doesn't agree is stupid.

That's my hunch how "party girls" Skepchicks went from "science is sexy" and let's get all racy and rowdy, to Catharine Mackinnon/Andrea Dworkin Feminism in a few short months. Somebody over there read a book about feminism, and now they're running around telling everyone what they "gotta learn."

You ain't seen nothin' yet. I've just sent Rebecca Watson my copy of The Hite Report!

[Wumbologist]

In the western world, it seems, there really isn't that much more work to do, is there? Women are treated equally, generally speaking. There are areas where men and women aren't exactly identical, but under the law they are treated equally.

There isn't as much to do as there is in places where women are expressly treated as second class citizens, forced to wear burkas, etc... but there certainly is still work to be done even in the Western world. You might treat women equally, I might treat women equally, but that doesn't mean there aren't a whole lot of men out there who don't. Changing the attitudes of men who think that a woman owes them sex if they picked up the check, or that women exist for the purpose of being sexual objects, is certainly an important cause in our society to this day.

[Coito ergo sum]

In the western world, it seems, there really isn't that much more work to do, is there? Women are treated equally, generally speaking. There are areas where men and women aren't exactly identical, but under the law they are treated equally.

There isn't as much to do as there is in places where women are expressly treated as second class citizens, forced to wear burkas, etc... but there certainly is still work to be done even in the Western world. You might treat women equally, I might treat women equally, but that doesn't mean there aren't a whole lot of men out there who don't. Changing the attitudes of men who think that a woman owes them sex if they picked up the check, or that women exist for the purpose of being sexual objects, is certainly an important cause in our society to this day.

Yeah, but so what?

Nobody is ever going to get everyone to treat everyone else equally. Men don't treat other men equally. Women don't treat other women equally.

Men's attitudes about what they "think" someone owes them are not things that "need to be changed." All that needs to be is that men can't have sex with women unless women consent to sex, and vice versa. What someone "thinks" another person owes them is not something anyone can control, or should be able to control.

And, there is hardly anyone who really thinks that "women exist for the purpose of being sexual objects." I'm sure some sociopathic men and women can't view other humans except as sex objects, but pretty much the vast bulk of society views humans as humans which includes their sexuality and sexual attractiveness.

These aren't things that need to be remedied. We live in a free society, and people are going to think and say what they want. The key is equal treatment under the law, which we have. And, we have seen equality in education and employment -- now more women than men attend and graduate college. More women than men are becoming doctors, veteranarians, lawyers and other advanced degrees. The salary gap has closed, and for people under 40, women are equal to and exceeding male incomes.

The work to be done is not in the West. To say that "some men view women in terms of their own sexual gratification" is a trifling complaint, and one with no societal answer. If people want to only view others as objects of sexual gratification, that's their right as a human being.

[Audley Strange]

You see that's what's my concern. We accepted the mantras of feminism for so long that we've given legitimacy to outrageous horeseshit. The only people I see claiming "men think women only exist for the purpose of being sexual objects" are feminists and it's an outrageous accusation. You know like saying men need to really exist as worker drones and sperm donors. Which of course they say too.

The Glass ceiling and all the other myths they keep peddling are just the whines of the inept and spoiled and unhappy that they were not given the free ride they thought they would get.

Their only priority is themselves and they have them wrong.

[DaveD]

There is still a lot of work to be done in the west. Just google #justiceforched, and look at the twitter feed to see how much.
The problem with the likes of skepchicks is that they caricature the problem, and themselves.

[Audley Strange]

Actually DaveD, you bring up a good point. However I wonder how much of that has to do with him being a footballer. It does seem to be the last bastion for sexist racist homophobic cunts in the U.K.