Bomber Command Memorial Opens Today...Finally
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Bomber Command Memorial Opens Today...Finally
Bomber Command finally gets a memorial, opened today. Grandpa Huxley was a bomb aimer on a Lancaster in the war, not that he ever talked about it. A controversial memorial - even as the war was finishing, it was clear that the politicians were a bit embarassed at the civilian casualties caused - Churchill didn't mention Bomber Command in his victory broadcast and there were never any campaign medals issued.
So, does Bomber Command deserve a memorial? For a while, they were Blighty's only way of hitting back at the Germans. On the other hand.....err.....Dresden.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18600871
So, does Bomber Command deserve a memorial? For a while, they were Blighty's only way of hitting back at the Germans. On the other hand.....err.....Dresden.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18600871
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55 thousand men died, not to mention the casualties they inflicted. They almost certainly shortened the war and demoralized the enemy. They also exhibited a special kind of bravery, sitting up there in their canvas and aluminum boxes being shot at. War is hell - I am close to pacifism in my outlook - , but they deserve some recognition.
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They can really only be judged in the context of their times...Rum wrote:55 thousand men died, not to mention the casualties they inflicted. They almost certainly shortened the war and demoralized the enemy. They also exhibited a special kind of bravery, sitting up there in their canvas and aluminum boxes being shot at. War is hell - I am close to pacifism in my outlook - , but they deserve some recognition.
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I agree with you.JimC wrote:They can really only be judged in the context of their times...Rum wrote:55 thousand men died, not to mention the casualties they inflicted. They almost certainly shortened the war and demoralized the enemy. They also exhibited a special kind of bravery, sitting up there in their canvas and aluminum boxes being shot at. War is hell - I am close to pacifism in my outlook - , but they deserve some recognition.
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Some would say, given the absence of campaign medals and the lack of any contemporary memorial, they were judged in the context of their times, at the time...Rum wrote:I agree with you.JimC wrote:They can really only be judged in the context of their times...Rum wrote:55 thousand men died, not to mention the casualties they inflicted. They almost certainly shortened the war and demoralized the enemy. They also exhibited a special kind of bravery, sitting up there in their canvas and aluminum boxes being shot at. War is hell - I am close to pacifism in my outlook - , but they deserve some recognition.
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Hypocrisy I would say. There was controversy over the firestorms caused by the likes of the bombing of Dresden at the time. I have read that these attacks literally burnt all the oxygen in a given area and killed everything within the area as a result, not just from the blast.
The flyers were following a strategy planned by Harris and others. They were brave men and deserve recognition.
The flyers were following a strategy planned by Harris and others. They were brave men and deserve recognition.
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It's a shame that Herr King and Herr Kaiser didn't get along better, but then again who do the Germans get along well with?
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Salute to the brave men of Bomber Command. Ye daft bastards!
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Kaiser?Tyrannical wrote:It's a shame that Herr King and Herr Kaiser didn't get along better, but then again who do the Germans get along well with?

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Judged by Churchill though - it was ultimately his decision IIRC. After Dresden, he got cold feed about a strategy that he had previously supported to the hilt.Clinton Huxley wrote:Some would say, given the absence of campaign medals and the lack of any contemporary memorial, they were judged in the context of their times, at the time...Rum wrote:I agree with you.JimC wrote:They can really only be judged in the context of their times...Rum wrote:55 thousand men died, not to mention the casualties they inflicted. They almost certainly shortened the war and demoralized the enemy. They also exhibited a special kind of bravery, sitting up there in their canvas and aluminum boxes being shot at. War is hell - I am close to pacifism in my outlook - , but they deserve some recognition.
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Kaiser Wilhelm IIRum wrote:Kaiser?Tyrannical wrote:It's a shame that Herr King and Herr Kaiser didn't get along better, but then again who do the Germans get along well with?
Avoid WWI and you avoid WWII
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You just delay WWI.Tyrannical wrote:Kaiser Wilhelm IIRum wrote:Kaiser?Tyrannical wrote:It's a shame that Herr King and Herr Kaiser didn't get along better, but then again who do the Germans get along well with?
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Delay WWI and you end up with a different WWI - US vs UK naval conflict.....so I've heard said.
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Brave young men, placing themselves at risk of incalculable suffering in order to save others from similar suffering.
It's the definition of altruism. If a memorial reminds people about the altruism of these young men, then it's a worthwhile memorial. If it also reminds folk that we must guard against politicians whose policies cause suffering, then it's doubly worthwhile.
It's the definition of altruism. If a memorial reminds people about the altruism of these young men, then it's a worthwhile memorial. If it also reminds folk that we must guard against politicians whose policies cause suffering, then it's doubly worthwhile.
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Yeah, you know...Adolf Mussolini.Rum wrote:Kaiser?Tyrannical wrote:It's a shame that Herr King and Herr Kaiser didn't get along better, but then again who do the Germans get along well with?
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