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Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:09 am

Gawdzilla wrote::tup: Knowledge is the biggest enemy of religion.
The whole foundation of Christianity is based on the idea that intellectualism is the work of the Devil. Remember the apple on the tree? Okay, it was the Tree of Knowledge. "You eat this apple, you're going to be as smart as God. We can't have that."
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The essence of Christianity is told to us in the Garden of Eden history. The fruit that was forbidden was on the Tree of Knowledge. The subtext is, All the suffering you have is because you wanted to find out what was going on. You could be in the Garden of Eden if you had just kept your fucking mouth shut and hadn't asked any questions.
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So, when Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, if you go for all these fairy tales, that "evil" woman convinced the man to eat the apple, but the apple came from the Tree of Knowledge. And the punishment that was then handed down, the woman gets to bleed and the guy's got to go to work, is the result of a man desiring, because his woman suggested that it would be a good idea, that he get all the knowledge that was supposedly the property and domain of God. So, that right away sets up Christianity as an anti-intellectual religion. You never want to be that smart. If you're a woman, it's going to be running down your leg, and if you're a guy, you're going to be in the salt mines for the rest of your life. So, just be a dumb fuck and you'll all go to heaven. That's the subtext of Christianity.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:22 pm

Gay marriage is like slavery, Catholic leader says

By Hannah Furness

Monday March 05 2012

BRITAIN’S most senior Catholic has condemned gay marriage as an "aberration", likening it to slavery and abortion.

Cardinal Keith O'Brien said countries which legalise gay marriage are “shaming themselves” by going against the “natural law,” and should not consider their actions “progress”.

He claimed same sex unions were the “thin end of the wedge” and would lead to the “further degeneration of society into immorality.”

In a series of controversial comments, he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that if same sex marriage were legalised, “further aberrations would take place and society would be degenerating even further than it already has into immorality.”

The interview, conducted by John Humphries, followed an article Cardinal O’Brien wrote for the Sunday Telegraph, in which he likened gay marriage to slavery.

He wrote: “Imagine for a moment that the Government had decided to legalise slavery but assured us that ‘no one will be forced to keep a slave’.

“Would such worthless assurances calm our fury? Would they justify dismantling a fundamental human right? Or would they simply amount to weasel words masking a great wrong?”

He has now defended his comments, saying: “I think it’s a very, very good example of what might happen on our own country in the present time."

Describing same sex marriage as the “thin end of the wedge,” he also used the Abortion Act as an example of what could follow, claiming it had let to about seven million abortions and “further aberrations”.

Responding to accusations that his use of language, including the word "grotesque", was inflammatory, he said:

"I am not saying it is grotesque, but perhaps to some people it might appear grotesque.

“I don’t think it’s inflammatory at all. I think it’s handing on the teaching of the Christian Church for more than 2,000 years and I am doing my best to hand it on in a way than many people can hear it.

“I think if the UK does go for same sex marriage it is indeed shaming our country.

“We’re taking standards which are not just our own but standards from the Declaration of Human Rights of the United Nations where marriage is defined as a relationship between man and woman and turning that on its head.

“We are trying to redefine something which has been known and revered for centuries and making it something rather different.

“This is changing the whole notion of what marriage and what a family is. It affects children who are born, who have a right to a mother and father.

“The natural law teaching of what marriage is is quite simple. It is natural for a man and woman to be together for the procreation and education of children and for their own mutual love.

“I think that it is time now to call a halt to what you might call progress. I do not call what is happening nowadays progress.

"I would say that countries where this is legal are indeed violating human rights."

His inflammatory remarks led commentators on social network site Twitter to condemn him as bigoted and incoherent, with some accusing him of “hate speech”.

One user, calling herself Sam Whyte, said: “Think I'm up too early. Just turned the radio on and it appears to be the 1950s.”

Another, Sophie Atherton, said: “Cardinal Keith O'Brien, YOU shame the country with your hateful, bigoted backward views.”

But another, F R Hill, said: “Thank goodness someone is out there talking sense and truth, well said Cardinal.”

- Hannah Furness

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:59 am

‘Beat by Hand or Stick’: Islamic Marriage Guide Teaches Husbands How to Control Their Wives

A bookstore in Canada has sold out of an Islamic marriage guide that instructs Muslim men on how to beat their wives, according to the Toronto Sun.

Among the advice dispensed in “A Gift for the Muslim Couple” is to “beat by hand or stick” and “pull [her] by the ears.” The husband may also withhold money to exert control, though should “refrain from beating her excessively.”

The 160-page book’s description says it “deals with the subject of marriage and after marriage relationship, as well as the various pitfalls of marriage, causes of breakdown and their causes.” It was being sold at Islamic Books and Souvenirs in Toronto. The store’s manager told the Toronto Sun it had been sold out for some time. The owner refused to comment to the newspaper.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:20 pm

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Audley Strange wrote:Good point, but pagan was essentially the equivalent of "hick" or "savage", the uncultured as far as I recall, so the term paganism is a vague one at least.
The origins of it, yes, but that's not how it's practically applied today.
I was unaware of that. So I checked out the wiki page. Still seems like a catch all term for a mish-mash of various faiths to me. Is there a common conventional meaning I'm completely missing?
Does it matter if people self-identify with Paganism in purely religious terms, call themselves Paganists, and order their lives according to the principles and precept of their interpretation of specifically Pagan beliefs?

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that people have a freedom to religion and a freedom from religion. Regardless of whether the teacher in the OP holds Paganism to be a 'proper' religion or not, she should extend the same rights to those in her care with respect to their religion as she would expect to be extended to her interpretation of her own religious beliefs. That would be the tolerance, peaceful and fair thing to do. If her interpretation of her religious beliefs demand that she harangue the members of another religion for their beliefs then her religion is obliging her towards intolerant bigotry, and society and social order does not benefit from being populated by intolerant bigots.
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Post by Audley Strange » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:12 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote: So, just be a dumb fuck and you'll all go to heaven. That's the subtext of Christianity.
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That's the subtext of Judaism. The Subtext of Christianity is "Obey orthodoxy and empire, both can kill your Gods at will."
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:34 pm

http://islam-watch.org/index.php?option ... &Itemid=58
According to a report by the independent Arakanese news agency Narinjara, in the Muslims-dominated township of Rambree in Arakan State in Myanmar (Burma), a gang of Muslims robbed a Buddhist girl, ganged-raped her and murdered her in grisly manner.

She was intercepted while returning home from work on the evening of 28 May 2012. She was killed by slitting her throat. Her dead-body also showed several stabbing wounds on the chest, as well as wounds and cuts on the vaginal and pubic regions.

After news of the grisly rape and murder spread, nearly 1000 angry protesters from nearby villages marched to the police station on 29 May, demanding police action against the barbaric murderers. Three Muslim culprits were arrested on the same night.

A Burmese source tells us that angered by arrest of the Muslim culprits, Bengali Muslims started riots on 8th June 2012 in Moung Daw Township in Arakan State, which borders the line between Bangladesh and Myanmar. According to the source, the riot was continuing at the time of reporting at about 9pm Myanmar Time on 8th June.

Muslims started the riots after the Friday Ju'ma (congregation) prayers, which is a common occasion for Muslims to launch violent Jihadi actions and protests all over the world.
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Post by Hermit » Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:02 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:http://islam-watch.org/index.php?option ... &Itemid=58
According to a report by the independent Arakanese news agency Narinjara, in the Muslims-dominated township of Rambree in Arakan State in Myanmar (Burma), a gang of Muslims robbed a Buddhist girl, ganged-raped her and murdered her in grisly manner.

She was intercepted while returning home from work on the evening of 28 May 2012. She was killed by slitting her throat. Her dead-body also showed several stabbing wounds on the chest, as well as wounds and cuts on the vaginal and pubic regions.

After news of the grisly rape and murder spread, nearly 1000 angry protesters from nearby villages marched to the police station on 29 May, demanding police action against the barbaric murderers. Three Muslim culprits were arrested on the same night.

A Burmese source tells us that angered by arrest of the Muslim culprits, Bengali Muslims started riots on 8th June 2012 in Moung Daw Township in Arakan State, which borders the line between Bangladesh and Myanmar. According to the source, the riot was continuing at the time of reporting at about 9pm Myanmar Time on 8th June.

Muslims started the riots after the Friday Ju'ma (congregation) prayers, which is a common occasion for Muslims to launch violent Jihadi actions and protests all over the world.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:03 pm

That first one was taken in Muncie, Indiana, IIRC.
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Post by Svartalf » Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:11 pm

Is the pretty lady in the lower left corner related to Kristie?
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Post by maiforpeace » Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:27 pm

Svartalf wrote:Is the pretty lady in the lower left corner related to Kristie?
For chrissakes, is there ever a time when you don't salivate over pretty women, even in a photo of a lynching? :roll:
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Post by Azathoth » Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:40 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:Gay marriage is like slavery, Catholic leader says

By Hannah Furness

Monday March 05 2012

BRITAIN’S most senior Catholic has condemned gay marriage as an "aberration", likening it to slavery and abortion.

Cardinal Keith O'Brien said countries which legalise gay marriage are “shaming themselves” by going against the “natural law,” and should not consider their actions “progress”.

He claimed same sex unions were the “thin end of the wedge” and would lead to the “further degeneration of society into immorality.”

In a series of controversial comments, he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that if same sex marriage were legalised, “further aberrations would take place and society would be degenerating even further than it already has into immorality.”

The interview, conducted by John Humphries, followed an article Cardinal O’Brien wrote for the Sunday Telegraph, in which he likened gay marriage to slavery.

He wrote: “Imagine for a moment that the Government had decided to legalise slavery but assured us that ‘no one will be forced to keep a slave’.

“Would such worthless assurances calm our fury? Would they justify dismantling a fundamental human right? Or would they simply amount to weasel words masking a great wrong?”

He has now defended his comments, saying: “I think it’s a very, very good example of what might happen on our own country in the present time."

Describing same sex marriage as the “thin end of the wedge,” he also used the Abortion Act as an example of what could follow, claiming it had let to about seven million abortions and “further aberrations”.

Responding to accusations that his use of language, including the word "grotesque", was inflammatory, he said:

"I am not saying it is grotesque, but perhaps to some people it might appear grotesque.

“I don’t think it’s inflammatory at all. I think it’s handing on the teaching of the Christian Church for more than 2,000 years and I am doing my best to hand it on in a way than many people can hear it.

“I think if the UK does go for same sex marriage it is indeed shaming our country.

“We’re taking standards which are not just our own but standards from the Declaration of Human Rights of the United Nations where marriage is defined as a relationship between man and woman and turning that on its head.

“We are trying to redefine something which has been known and revered for centuries and making it something rather different.

“This is changing the whole notion of what marriage and what a family is. It affects children who are born, who have a right to a mother and father.

“The natural law teaching of what marriage is is quite simple. It is natural for a man and woman to be together for the procreation and education of children and for their own mutual love.

“I think that it is time now to call a halt to what you might call progress. I do not call what is happening nowadays progress.

"I would say that countries where this is legal are indeed violating human rights."

His inflammatory remarks led commentators on social network site Twitter to condemn him as bigoted and incoherent, with some accusing him of “hate speech”.

One user, calling herself Sam Whyte, said: “Think I'm up too early. Just turned the radio on and it appears to be the 1950s.”

Another, Sophie Atherton, said: “Cardinal Keith O'Brien, YOU shame the country with your hateful, bigoted backward views.”

But another, F R Hill, said: “Thank goodness someone is out there talking sense and truth, well said Cardinal.”

- Hannah Furness

© Telegraph.co.uk
:funny: You would think he would know better than to bring slavery up seeing as it is his book that condones it at around the same place as it condemns homosexuality.

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Post by maiforpeace » Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:42 pm

Irony is lost on the religious.
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Post by mistermack » Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:27 pm

So what if paganism is vague?
Christianity is INCREDIBLY vague. Talk to a hundred Christians, and they all have different ideas of what god is. And of how much of the bible is true. And if it doesn't work, they all invent stuff to keep themselves happy.

It's all superstition. The distinction between religion and paganism is completely false. The differences are minor, and insignificant.
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Post by Svartalf » Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:20 pm

maiforpeace wrote:
Svartalf wrote:Is the pretty lady in the lower left corner related to Kristie?
For chrissakes, is there ever a time when you don't salivate over pretty women, even in a photo of a lynching? :roll:
What do you expect me to do about a picture I have already seen and w<hose events, regrettable as they may be, possibly happened before my parents were even born?
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:28 pm

Romney Adviser Compares Homosexuality To Polygamy, Drug Use During GOP Platform Committee Meeting
By Adam Peck on Aug 21, 2012 at 11:52 am

During a meeting of the Republican National National Convention Platform on Tuesday, Kansas Attorney General Kris Kobach spoke out against an amendment that would have struck down the party’s longstanding support for the Defense of Marriage Act — which outlaws same-sex marriages — by comparing homosexuality with drug use and polygamy.

Pat Kerby, an RNC delegate from Nevada, introduced the amendment, arguing that “under the constitution, every American gets treated equally under the law.”

But Kobach, who is best know as the chief architect of Arizona’s xenophobic SB 1070 law and advises the Romney campaign on immigration issues, opposed the amendment by comparing LGBT people to drug users and polygamists:

Our government routinely judges sutuatons where you might regard people completely affecting themselves like for exmaple the use of controlled substances, like polygamy that is voluntarily entered in to. We condemn those activities even though they are not hurting other people at least directly. So this is worded way to broadly for inclusion in the platform.

The amendment was defeated by a voice vote.
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