Deep Hatred of Black People in Israel

[Thumpalumpacus]

I do not justify Palestinian attack on Israel.

However, my sympathies are stronger for the Palestinians. They have been, and continue to be, abominably treated by Israel. They have, quite understandably, an organisation(s) to fight back, which others call terrorist. But for every atrocity committed against Israel, atrocities ten times as bad are committed by Israel against the Palestinians.

I have underlined where you equivocate the murder of innocents with self-defense. I have put in red where you are clearly justifying the murder of Israelis, by appealing to numbers.

Also, just out of curiosity, what is it you envision to be ten times worse than death, and how, exactly, have you arrived at that valuation?

[mistermack]

I do not justify Palestinian attack on Israel.

However, my sympathies are stronger for the Palestinians. They have been, and continue to be, abominably treated by Israel. They have, quite understandably, an organisation(s) to fight back, which others call terrorist. But for every atrocity committed against Israel, atrocities ten times as bad are committed by Israel against the Palestinians.

I have underlined where you equivocate the murder of innocents with self-defense. I have put in red where you are clearly justifying the murder of Israelis, by appealing to numbers.

Also, just out of curiosity, what is it you envision to be ten times worse than death, and how, exactly, have you arrived at that valuation?

What the fuck? How come the murders carried out by Israel are always self-defence and the Palestinians are never?
You really are mega-gullible. You just soak up the press bullshit.

[Blind groper]

Also, just out of curiosity, what is it you envision to be ten times worse than death, and how, exactly, have you arrived at that valuation?

Very simple.

Ten deaths are worse than one.
Israel is murdering Palestinians at a rate somewhat higher than 10 dead Palestinians for each dead Israeli.

if a Palestinian murders an Israeli, that is just as bad as an Israeli murdering a Palestinian. Both are evil. But what if Palestinians murder one Israeli and Israelis murder ten Palestinians? Because that is what is happening.

And thanks to Mistermack. A little support and clear rational thinking is always appreciated.

[Hermit]

Actually, it very much is so in the context I was using it. If you read it in conjunction with the conditions placed on the aid given to the Palestinians, you should see that I meant to say the conditions attached to Israeli aid were in no way equivalent. And that's on top of the fundamental difference between the two, one being for civil, the other for military purposes.

Whether Israel spends that money on American weapons or (say) European weapons, it is still American money which is financing much of their military, is my point.

My point is precisely that the USA gives basically untied grants of $3 billion p.a. for military purposes to Israel, knowing fully well that a significant portion of it will be used not just against Palestinian terrorists but the Palestinian population at large, while granting $0.37 billion to the Palestinians on the proviso that it is not to be used for armaments. The Palestinians of course don't regard their fighters as terrorists. They are freedom fighters, just like Irgun, Haganah and the members of the Stern gang were for Israel before Israel became a nation. The latter three organisations were no less reluctant to intentionally blow up civilians than the military wing of Hamas.

[mistermack]

What the Israelis do is to deliberately keep the Palestinians seething. They NEED the Palestinians to fire off the occasional rocket, so that they can keep claiming self defence.

The LAST thing that Israel wants is for Palestinians to stop fighting back.
So every time the resistance dies down, the Israelis stoke it up again, with more theft of land, more evictions, more arrests of innocent people etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

They know damn well that some hotheads will react, and then they react tenfold, as Groper said.
It's all designed to keep the pot boiling.

It's a deliberate policy of apartheid and ethnic cleansing by stealth.
And the most of the world turns a blind eye, because Israel belongs to the US.
And that's why 911 was self defence by the Arabs. No better or worse than any other act of "self defence" against innocents.

[Hermit]

And that's why 911 was self defence by the Arabs. No better or worse than any other act of "self defence" against innocents.

Oh, I mean: Thanks for your input, Mistermack. I shall file your insight in the appropriate location.

[mistermack]

And that's why 911 was self defence by the Arabs. No better or worse than any other act of "self defence" against innocents.

Oh, I mean: Thanks for your input, Mistermack. I shall file your insight in the appropriate location.

Isn't it getting a little crowded, up there?

[Xamonas Chegwé]

All murder is evil, no matter your efforts to justify some of it.

I agree that all murder is evil. I do not justify Palestinian attack on Israel. But I understand them. Do you see the difference?

But you cannot understand Israelis seeking to retaliate when suicide bombers attack their buses or missiles are launched blindly into civilian settlements?

I had no idea your ability to see things from both points of view was so impaired. I apologise for wasting your time attempting to hold a conversation with someone with such an inability to understand what I was saying. It was clearly futile.

I am out of this thread.

[mistermack]

All murder is evil, no matter your efforts to justify some of it.

I agree that all murder is evil. I do not justify Palestinian attack on Israel. But I understand them. Do you see the difference?

But you cannot understand Israelis seeking to retaliate when suicide bombers attack their buses or missiles are launched blindly into civilian settlements?

I had no idea your ability to see things from both points of view was so impaired. I apologise for wasting your time attempting to hold a conversation with someone with such an inability to understand what I was saying. It was clearly futile.

I am out of this thread.

I don't see how you're not getting it. How can all the Israeli attacks be retaliation?
They kill Palestinians at a rate of ten to one. That means after each Israeli attack, the next ten Palestinian attacks are all retaliation.
You can't call Israel's murders retaliation, when Israel is tens of thousands of deaths ahead of the Palestinians.
The Nazis were exactly the same in the SWW. in occupied France.
If the resistance killed a German, the Nazis wiped out a village. IN RETALIATION. And explained that it was all the fault of the French.

[Hermit]

If the resistance killed a German, the Nazis wiped out a village. IN RETALIATION. And explained that it was all the fault of the French.

Not just France either. They did it all over eastern Europe too. And it is retaliation. Also known as aversion therapy.

Didn't work in the long run, though. Eventually the Israelis will find that out for themselves. Bad luck for the millions who just want to tend their gardens and raise a family.

[mistermack]

Bad luck for the millions who just want to tend their gardens and raise a family.

Very bad luck, if your garden is in Israel, and some Jew takes a fancy to it.

[Hermit]

Bad luck for the millions who just want to tend their gardens and raise a family.

Very bad luck, if your garden is in Israel, and some Jew takes a fancy to it.

You're starting to sound like Gawd.

Do you really think the bulk of Israelis are different to the bulk of Palestinians in regard to what they really want to do?

[mistermack]

Bad luck for the millions who just want to tend their gardens and raise a family.

Very bad luck, if your garden is in Israel, and some Jew takes a fancy to it.

You're starting to sound like Gawd.

Do you really think the bulk of Israelis are different to the bulk of Palestinians in regard to what they really want to do?

I think they are totally different, because they have totally different experience.

Anyway, if someone breaks into your house, and takes all your stuff, does it matter if deep down, he's just like you? The fucker is still ripping you off.

[Hermit]

Bad luck for the millions who just want to tend their gardens and raise a family.

Very bad luck, if your garden is in Israel, and some Jew takes a fancy to it.

You're starting to sound like Gawd.

Do you really think the bulk of Israelis are different to the bulk of Palestinians in regard to what they really want to do?

I think they are totally different, because they have totally different experience.

Anyway, if someone breaks into your house, and takes all your stuff, does it matter if deep down, he's just like you? The fucker is still ripping you off.

Ayup. You do post like Gawd. No matter what society people live in, the vast majority is not interested in wars of conquest at all, but as Herman Göring explained:

• Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. ...voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.

[mistermack]

Bad luck for the millions who just want to tend their gardens and raise a family.

Very bad luck, if your garden is in Israel, and some Jew takes a fancy to it.

You're starting to sound like Gawd.

Do you really think the bulk of Israelis are different to the bulk of Palestinians in regard to what they really want to do?

I think they are totally different, because they have totally different experience.

Anyway, if someone breaks into your house, and takes all your stuff, does it matter if deep down, he's just like you? The fucker is still ripping you off.

Ayup. You do post like Gawd. No matter what society people live in, the vast majority is not interested in wars of conquest at all, but as Herman Göring explained:

• Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. ...voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.

I'm not sure what is the point you're making?
The common Israeli might not be keen on war, but neither are they keen on giving back what they've stolen.
The common Palestinians might want to live peacefully, but they would also like their freedom and country back. And living in shit probably isn't ideal either.