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Re: Child's painting sells for $86.9m

Post by Robert_S » Thu May 10, 2012 11:47 pm

I've been tempted to bring home rusty old junk to hang on my walls before.

Does anyone remember the name of that passage from Steve Martin's Cruel Shoes that is relevant to this thread?
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Re: Child's painting sells for $86.9m

Post by Robert_S » Thu May 10, 2012 11:50 pm

Nevermind. I found it:
Steve Martin wrote:The Bohemians

Were they rebels? Were they artists? Were they outcasts from society? They were all of these. They were The Bohemians.

These Bohemians, Mr. and Mrs. Clarence Williams, and their seven children, Biff, Tina, Sparky, Louise, Tuffy, Mickey, and Biff Number Two, lived in a notorious artist's colony and planned community.

Naturally, the bohemian's existence thrived on creativity. Early in the morning, Mrs. Williams would rise and create breakfast. Then, Mr. Williams, inspired by his wife's limitless energy, would rush off to a special room and create tiny hairs in a sink. The children would create things, too. But being temperamental artists, they would often flush them away without a second thought.

But the bohemians' creativity didn't stop there. Mr. Williams would then rush off downtown and create reams and reams of papers with numbers on them and send them out to other Bohemians who would create special checks to send to him with figures like $7.27written on them.

At home, the children would be creating unusual music, using only their voices to combine in avant-garde, atonal melodies.

Yes, these were the bohemians. A seething hot-bed of rebellion-the artists, the creators of all things that lie between good and bad
http://www.redknotstudio.com/compleatst ... hoes_1.htm
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Post by orpheus » Fri May 11, 2012 1:22 am

Interesting, in view of this, that Steve Martin is a serious and knowledgable art lover and collector. His recent novel is an interesting take on the good and bad of the "art world" (i.e. the business side) and the world of the art itself.
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Post by orpheus » Fri May 11, 2012 1:26 am

Seraph wrote:
Animavore wrote:Seraph on the other hand I think was satirising.
I was, but the satire was not aimed at Orpheus. It was aimed at the waffle I have read over the years in the arts section of the Sydney Morning Herald and other publications, which is written by wankers and propagated by those who profit from it the most - art dealers, critics, publishers, and it is a reference to my second post on page one of this thread.

That's not to say I didn't read some good reviews. I also benefited hugely from a man who led a youth group when I was young. After studying art, under, among others, Paul Klee, he became professor of fine arts and art education at the university of Frankfurt, published about a dozen books on the subject and painted well over 2000 oils. He's retired since 1992, but still painting, and it looks like he'll be around to celebrate his 100th birthday this July. He gave us heaps of presentations and took us to scores of galleries and exhibitions, where was a fount of knowledge as well. I am definitely an amateur in regard to the fine arts, but consider myself to be a reasonably well informed one.
Wow ~ I'm curious who this guy is. Klee did teach at the Bauhaus, of course, but not a huge number of students, if I recall correctly.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri May 11, 2012 1:31 am

"Why Cats Paint" anyone?
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Post by Thumpalumpacus » Fri May 11, 2012 1:41 am

I am not a fan of Rothko's but I do like the colors here; they're tangy, and tickle my eyes, and that's all I really ask of art.

Concerning the original v repro discussion, much of it depends actually on the quality of reproduction. Overtones and subtleties do get lost even in high quality prints. I'd prefer to see the originals, myself, but I don't know that those subtle differences always amount to anything beyond what we in the world of guitars call "cork-sniffing".
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Post by Hermit » Fri May 11, 2012 1:43 am

orpheus wrote:
Seraph wrote:
Animavore wrote:Seraph on the other hand I think was satirising.
I was, but the satire was not aimed at Orpheus. It was aimed at the waffle I have read over the years in the arts section of the Sydney Morning Herald and other publications, which is written by wankers and propagated by those who profit from it the most - art dealers, critics, publishers, and it is a reference to my second post on page one of this thread.

That's not to say I didn't read some good reviews. I also benefited hugely from a man who led a youth group when I was young. After studying art, under, among others, Paul Klee, he became professor of fine arts and art education at the university of Frankfurt, published about a dozen books on the subject and painted well over 2000 oils. He's retired since 1992, but still painting, and it looks like he'll be around to celebrate his 100th birthday this July. He gave us heaps of presentations and took us to scores of galleries and exhibitions, where was a fount of knowledge as well. I am definitely an amateur in regard to the fine arts, but consider myself to be a reasonably well informed one.
Wow ~ I'm curious who this guy is. Klee did teach at the Bauhaus, of course, but not a huge number of students, if I recall correctly.
I'm certain he won't mind me mentioning his name. In addition to his books on art and art education he has also published an autobiography and a book about the youth group he ran.

From Wikipedia, de
His web page

Sorry, it's all in German. Some of his books have been translated into English and other languages, though.
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Post by orpheus » Fri May 11, 2012 2:34 am

Seraph wrote:
orpheus wrote:
Seraph wrote:
Animavore wrote:Seraph on the other hand I think was satirising.
I was, but the satire was not aimed at Orpheus. It was aimed at the waffle I have read over the years in the arts section of the Sydney Morning Herald and other publications, which is written by wankers and propagated by those who profit from it the most - art dealers, critics, publishers, and it is a reference to my second post on page one of this thread.

That's not to say I didn't read some good reviews. I also benefited hugely from a man who led a youth group when I was young. After studying art, under, among others, Paul Klee, he became professor of fine arts and art education at the university of Frankfurt, published about a dozen books on the subject and painted well over 2000 oils. He's retired since 1992, but still painting, and it looks like he'll be around to celebrate his 100th birthday this July. He gave us heaps of presentations and took us to scores of galleries and exhibitions, where was a fount of knowledge as well. I am definitely an amateur in regard to the fine arts, but consider myself to be a reasonably well informed one.
Wow ~ I'm curious who this guy is. Klee did teach at the Bauhaus, of course, but not a huge number of students, if I recall correctly.
I'm certain he won't mind me mentioning his name. In addition to his books on art and art education he has also published an autobiography and a book about the youth group he ran.

From Wikipedia, de
His web page

Sorry, it's all in German. Some of his books have been translated into English and other languages, though.
Thanks - I haven't heard of him, but I'll read up on him.
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Post by hadespussercats » Fri May 11, 2012 3:25 am

Thumpalumpacus wrote:I am not a fan of Rothko's but I do like the colors here; they're tangy, and tickle my eyes, and that's all I really ask of art.
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Post by hadespussercats » Fri May 11, 2012 3:26 am

Thumpalumpacus wrote: I do like the colors here; they're tangy, and tickle my eyes, and that's all I really ask of art.
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Post by mistermack » Sat May 12, 2012 2:31 am

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Jayzis! I've a heap of these on my fridge.
I love this painting. If I had the kind of money to buy top-shelf art, I'd want to own it.
Why not make your own, then?
You could do a nice job for about $100.
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Post by Seabass » Sat May 12, 2012 2:55 am

$100? I think $15 would suffice.
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Post by Bella Fortuna » Sat May 12, 2012 2:56 am

Seabass wrote:$100? I think $15 would suffice.
Do I hear $10??
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Post by hadespussercats » Sat May 12, 2012 4:53 am

mistermack wrote:
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Jayzis! I've a heap of these on my fridge.
I love this painting. If I had the kind of money to buy top-shelf art, I'd want to own it.
Why not make your own, then?
You could do a nice job for about $100.
I've already got the paint and the canvas, so I could do it for free.

It'd be nice, I guess. But it wouldn't be the same.
And come the think of it, he might have done something groovy with pigments that I couldn't replicate with what I've got here.
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