Anne Romney Hasn't Worked A Day in Her Life

[hadespussercats]

Well, that must be enriching.

[hadespussercats]

I know what she meant. But, I can't help but revel in the schadenfreude of someone essentially hoisted on their own petard.

I saw the story a bit differently. Sure, Rosen made herself look bad with a rather impolite comment, but who outside of diehard political junkies had even heard of Hilary Rosen before? That's why she was a good candidate to throw out a comment like that. Have a good look at this thread - the story's old compared to the typical news cycle, and people are still here debating what she meant, the merits of stay-at-home moms, etc. No doubt many other conversations like this have happened and are still happening around the country. That little comment sure had some legs. And the long-term effects? Ann Romney, who Mitt no doubt had counted on as using as a humanizing element towards voters and helping with the gender gap, is suddenly something of a controversial figure just as the general campaigning gets started. Most people didn't know much about her before (and still don't, really) but her public persona, fair or unfair, is now becoming defined - thanks largely to a quick comment made by Hillary Rosen.

I think it's entirely possible that Rosen's comments were well planned. Think of her like a suicide bomber; sure, she trashed her own reputation (for now, and only with some people), but it seems she also cause some serious damage to her target. The full effects of the damage may not be seen for months and will never really be quantifiable, but I'd say it's there.

Now that's interesting.

[hadespussercats]

It's not real work. And nobody told them to have 5 kids. It's borring as hell to do the same thing over every day, being in the house, cleaning and shit, listening to the kids whine, be their taxi. Talking kid talk and mommy talk. Give me a brake, it's brain jello life style.

I actually HAD to get a job to save my sanity.

LOL -- who wants to bet whether kiki would say the same thing has a Republican made the unfortunate comment.

Of course it's not real work. But, we've been told for a generation or more now that it IS real work. There are even feminist movements out there pushing for stay-at-home moms to receive wages for taking care of the kids they chose to have and the house they choose to live in.

Give me a fucking break with your sanctimony. You know as well as I do that the liberal and left line on this since the 70s has been that women staying at home ARE working and deserve even to get paid for it.

To be fair, Ann Romney was getting paid for it. She got more money for being Mitt's wife and the mother of his kids than I'll probably ever earn.

[hadespussercats]

Also, there is a cultural war between working women and stay at home moms. Look at some of the women posting comments here just scorning stay at home moms -- brain dead work -- boring -- awful -- limiting -- no world experience -- women here are posting that they couldn't imagine being a homemaker and they are expressing a fairly common view among career women that stay at home moms are to be looked down upon. So, the still fairly large amount of women that stay at home for years to take care of kids tend to get peeved about that.

You think the Right's War on Women is a manufactured story? That ain't nothing compared to the so-called mommy wars.

[Coito ergo sum]

It's not real work. And nobody told them to have 5 kids. It's borring as hell to do the same thing over every day, being in the house, cleaning and shit, listening to the kids whine, be their taxi. Talking kid talk and mommy talk. Give me a brake, it's brain jello life style.

I actually HAD to get a job to save my sanity.

LOL -- who wants to bet whether kiki would say the same thing has a Republican made the unfortunate comment.

Of course it's not real work. But, we've been told for a generation or more now that it IS real work. There are even feminist movements out there pushing for stay-at-home moms to receive wages for taking care of the kids they chose to have and the house they choose to live in.

Give me a fucking break with your sanctimony. You know as well as I do that the liberal and left line on this since the 70s has been that women staying at home ARE working and deserve even to get paid for it.

To be fair, Ann Romney was getting paid for it. She got more money for being Mitt's wife and the mother of his kids than I'll probably ever earn.

That isn't fair. That's not "getting paid" anymore than you sharing money with your spouse means you are "getting paid" or "paying him." Moreover, the kind of "getting paid" the the left has been carping about is a check from the State. Getting money from one's spouse is not the same or similar to earning money from someone else in an exchange of labor for pay.

[Coito ergo sum]

Also, there is a cultural war between working women and stay at home moms. Look at some of the women posting comments here just scorning stay at home moms -- brain dead work -- boring -- awful -- limiting -- no world experience -- women here are posting that they couldn't imagine being a homemaker and they are expressing a fairly common view among career women that stay at home moms are to be looked down upon. So, the still fairly large amount of women that stay at home for years to take care of kids tend to get peeved about that.

You think the Right's War on Women is a manufactured story? That ain't nothing compared to the so-called mommy wars.

Pretty much, yes. Do I acknowledge that there are extreme Christian conservatives who hold seriously sexist views and would like to see them implemented? Sure.

Do I buy the nonsense conjured about about how the Republicans want to take away the right of women to buy birth control? Of course not. That's just political drivel, and that much should be obvious to anyone.

[kiki5711]

To be fair, Ann Romney was getting paid for it. She got more money for being Mitt's wife and the mother of his kids than I'll probably ever earn

[Coito ergo sum]

By that logic, anyone married to someone of means is "getting paid."

[kiki5711]

By that logic, anyone married to someone of means is "getting paid."

kind of obvious, you've never raised any kids or was a stay at home dad.

[Coito ergo sum]

By that logic, anyone married to someone of means is "getting paid."

kind of obvious, you've never raised any kids or was a stay at home dad.

It's not being "paid." It's being married. My wife works. We're married. By your logic, she's "paying" me for what I do around the house.

[kiki5711]

By that logic, anyone married to someone of means is "getting paid."

kind of obvious, you've never raised any kids or was a stay at home dad.

It's not being "paid." It's being married. My wife works. We're married. By your logic, she's "paying" me for what I do around the house.

Ahhhh now I see why you're on line 24/7. Do you actually do any housework? Are there any kids to take care of?

[Coito ergo sum]

By that logic, anyone married to someone of means is "getting paid."

kind of obvious, you've never raised any kids or was a stay at home dad.

It's not being "paid." It's being married. My wife works. We're married. By your logic, she's "paying" me for what I do around the house.

Ahhhh now I see why you're on line 24/7. Do you actually do any housework? Are there any kids to take care of?

No, I work. However, working doesn't mean you don't take care of the house and kids too. My wife, in your view, is apparently paying me to do that.

[Svartalf]

Actualy, here, the left has been trying to push for large families by pushing up the "family allowance" (given strictly according to how many children still going to school are living with you) and having more facilities built for working mothers to leave there babies/toddlers at...

But the notion of instituting a "maternal wage" to encourage women to leave the workforce and stay home, that comes from the far right...

[Coito ergo sum]

Actualy, here, the left has been trying to push for large families by pushing up the "family allowance" (given strictly according to how many children still going to school are living with you)...

But the notion of institutin a "maternal wage" to encourage women to leave the workforce and stay home, that comes from the far right...

The far right is interested in government payments directly to women to compensate for the work they do in the home and raising children? Proof?

Here is an article about a housewives networking group, and research about how much "wives" should be paid: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... dcare.html - doesn't seem far right at all.

It's mind-bogglingly stupid, of course. What of the pay for the husband? Or, if the husband gets no pay for his work around the house, then does that mean that the paid housewife now must do it all?

But when Venezuela recently began making payments for women's housework under a landmark law

http://newsblaze.com/story/200812020633 ... story.html

LOL - yes, Venezuala, that bastion of right wing politics -- instituted a pay for WOMEN'S housework...lol

The unabashed sexism. Forget the man! He may be doing a lot of heavy lifting around the house, repairing things, yard work, and even doing part of the cooking and cleaning....no payment for that.

[Svartalf]

Man, I said HERE !, I don't know how YOUR right wing loonies are handling the question, though I'm yet to see a man refuse a government handout, even if he doesn't really need it and he proclaims it is against his ideas.

But here, the commie leftyists want women to work, and it's the right (you could say the traditional or religious right) that pushes 'traditional' family roles and wants to encourage women to be stay at home moms, thus enforcing a traditional image and reducing unemployment statistics because the unemployed ones won't register as such and those that actually leave a job to take care of the kids will free up seats for the unemployed to fill in. All lawmakers that have drafted laws in this direction in this country have been from the right, and I think I remember the proposal being on some far right electoral programs (though I don't remember if it was on Le Pen's National Front's literature, or on stuff from the Catholic dominated minor parties)