Critical thinking contra intuition and religiosity

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Critical thinking contra intuition and religiosity

Post by FBM » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:43 am

I thought this was interesting. Seems to me, based on my first-hand experiences, that conclusions based on intuition are less dependable or accurate than those critically (in the sense of analytically) thought through. But is that to say that there is no place for intuition in our daily decision-making processes? I would think not, but I'm finding it hard to come up with an example of when intuition is superior to critical thinking. Maybe in the arts? Inter-personal relationships? :ask:
Study: Analytic thinking can decrease religious belief
By Becky Perlow, CNN

(CNN) - When was the last time you sat down and questioned your decision to believe in God?

According to a new study, that simple act could decrease your religious conviction – even if you’re a devout believer.

In the study, published Friday in the journal Science, researchers from Canada’s University of British Columbia used subtle stimuli to encourage analytical thinking. Results from the study found that analytical thinking could decrease religious belief.

“Religious belief is intuitive - and analytical thinking can undermine intuitive thinking,” said Ara Norenzayan, co-author of the study. “So when people are encouraged to think analytically, it can block intuitive thinking.”

Some of the more than 650 Canadian and American participants in the study were shown images of artwork that encouraged analytic thinking, while another group was shown images that were not intended to produce such thinking.

One of the images used to trigger analytic thinking was of Rodin’s statue “The Thinker.” A previous study showed that such images improved performance on tests that indicate analytic thinking.

In addition to the artwork images, the religion study used other stimuli to promote analytical thinking.

After exposure to such stimuli, researchers gauged participants’ religious beliefs through a series of questions. Subjects who had performed analytical tasks were more likely to experience a decrease in religious belief than those who were not involved in such tasks. That included devout believers.

“There’s much more instability to religious belief than we recognize,” said Norenzayan, noting that life’s circumstances and experiences, from traumatic events to joyous occasions, can lead people to become more or less religious.

“Religion is such an important part of the world and we have so little understanding of it,” he added. “So regardless of what you think about religion, it’s important to understand it because it’s so important in the world.”

Norenzayan is quick to mention that the experiments did not turn devout believers into total atheists. But he speculated that if people habitually think analytically, like scientists or lawyers do, it would lead to less religious belief in the long run.

Robert McCauley, director of the Center for Mind, Brain and Culture at Emory University, and author of "Religion is natural and science is not," found the study particularly interesting because he thought it was difficult to make even a minimal change in religious belief.

“It’s not likely you would argue someone out of a religious belief very often because they don’t hold those beliefs on argumentative or reflective grounds in the first place,” said McCauley, who believes religious beliefs rely primarily on intuitive thinking.

Analytical thinking alone does not necessarily lead to a decrease in religious belief, emphasized Norenzayan.

“There’s a combination of factors [as to] why people become believers or nonbelievers - this is only one piece of the puzzle,” Norenzayan said, explaining that his team doesn’t think analytical thinking is superior to intuitive thinking.

“It makes the story we need to tell about religion and religious belief all the more complicated,” said McCauley. “That’s what great scientific research does – ask more interesting questions.”
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Re: Critical thinking contra intuition and religiosity

Post by Azathoth » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:36 am

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Re: Critical thinking contra intuition and religiosity

Post by amused » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:57 am

Sometimes what is called intuition is actually an ability to perceive inter-connections and relationships that are not obvious on the surface. Other times it's just going with your gut, winging it and getting lucky, or not. Those two really shouldn't be combined, IMO.

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Post by FBM » Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:05 pm

Yeah, I think the brain does a lot of stuff below the threshold of conscious awareness that is not qualitatively different from critical thinking, and I wouldn't call that intuition. Intuition seems a lot more like letting one's predispositions, biases (conscious or not) and desires for such and such to be true shape one's decisions and convictions, and thus, one's behavior.
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Re: Critical thinking contra intuition and religiosity

Post by mistermack » Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:02 pm

Critical thinking might be ok for some things. A lot of things. But don't try it on a woman. You'll get it wrong every time.
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Post by FBM » Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:40 pm

mistermack wrote:Critical thinking might be ok for some things. A lot of things. But don't try it on a woman. You'll get it wrong every time.
Keep critical thinking where it belongs. You don't eat trifle with a spanner.
:mod: There are plenty of women capable of critical thinking. For example...shit, what was her name? :ask: Francis Crick. Yeah. She was really an :{D critical thinker.




























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Re: Critical thinking contra intuition and religiosity

Post by mistermack » Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:27 pm

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mistermack wrote:Critical thinking might be ok for some things. A lot of things. But don't try it on a woman. You'll get it wrong every time.
Keep critical thinking where it belongs. You don't eat trifle with a spanner.
:mod: There are plenty of women capable of critical thinking. For example...shit, what was her name? :ask: Francis Crick. Yeah. She was really an :{D critical thinker.
I'm sure women can think critically. It's just that their critical thinking usually just involves finding fault with men.
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Post by Svartalf » Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:53 pm

Analytic thinking can decrease your belief in a self contradicting and illogical system? Who'd ha'thunk it.
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Post by Traveler » Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:32 pm

I think they complement each other. I'm an artist AND an engineer. I can think critically, and I can think intuitively/instinctively. Especially when creating, using my right brain is MUCH more satisfying. I can do a realistic illustration, but that bores me. It's careful, it's left brain, it's logical, it's about technique, not inspiration. An intuitive piece, on the other hand, is capable of greatness.

When it comes to decision making, I make use of both. For instance, if I'm buying a car I first look at what my needs are, combined with the appearance. Within the set of what's left, I read reviews, then look at more pictures to see what appeals to my eye. Then I test drive. If, at the end of the day, I have several that have passed all these tests, I choose based on which "feels" best. I don't have to understand at a conscious level WHY it appeals the best. I simply trust that inner voice to be right.

I DO believe that there are several factors here. What we call intuition is probably our subconscious mind pulling together disparate information into a seemingly instant conclusion. I also think there are different ways of approaching information. Logically. Instinctively. With our feelings. All are valid, but not all are appropriate to all situations. There's a very common opinion amongst us women that if we feel frightened in a particular situation that we should trust our instincts. It may be that our feelings are a culmination of little clues our subconscious has picked up on that the person or situation might be dangerous. I'd rather be wrong and safe, then to ignore that little intuitive voice and end up assaulted or killed. Logically, one might look at the situation and think it seems just fine, but logic can be fooled when it comes to human interaction.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:37 pm

I go with my instinct when that alarm goes off in my head. Saved my life for over fifty years now.
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Post by mistermack » Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:43 am

Traveler wrote:I think they complement each other. I'm an artist AND an engineer. I can think critically, and I can think intuitively/instinctively. Especially when creating, using my right brain is MUCH more satisfying. I can do a realistic illustration, but that bores me. It's careful, it's left brain, it's logical, it's about technique, not inspiration. An intuitive piece, on the other hand, is capable of greatness.

When it comes to decision making, I make use of both. For instance, if I'm buying a car I first look at what my needs are, combined with the appearance. Within the set of what's left, I read reviews, then look at more pictures to see what appeals to my eye. Then I test drive. If, at the end of the day, I have several that have passed all these tests, I choose based on which "feels" best. I don't have to understand at a conscious level WHY it appeals the best. I simply trust that inner voice to be right.

I DO believe that there are several factors here. What we call intuition is probably our subconscious mind pulling together disparate information into a seemingly instant conclusion. I also think there are different ways of approaching information. Logically. Instinctively. With our feelings. All are valid, but not all are appropriate to all situations. There's a very common opinion amongst us women that if we feel frightened in a particular situation that we should trust our instincts. It may be that our feelings are a culmination of little clues our subconscious has picked up on that the person or situation might be dangerous. I'd rather be wrong and safe, then to ignore that little intuitive voice and end up assaulted or killed. Logically, one might look at the situation and think it seems just fine, but logic can be fooled when it comes to human interaction.
I have to second all of that. Especially the car bit.
I've owned a huge number of cars, as I used to trade in them. But the ones that I remember most fondly were the most impractical.
I specially liked the old Rover P5 V8, like the prime-ministers used to travel in for many years.
They were very heavy on fuel, and parts were expensive, but when you got in, you forgot all that, they were just so bloody NICE.
And my friends still remember going places in those Rovers, it just seemed to make an ordinary day memorable. They just put you in a good mood, whatever you were doing, or wherever you were going.
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Post by Atheist-Lite » Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:56 am

A lot happens in the brain. Even a little logic is enough to rationalise a ongoing inner dialogue. Crumple is available for good and bad, theists and atheists to remind you of the brevity of life and to live each day to the maximum of its potential. If logic wins alone you won't get the gal. Just as some theists need more logic so some atheists need less. In that there is hope. Albeit only for today, it'll be gone no matter what you believe think do or say come tommorow. Live in peace, let each find their only way and don't rush to conclusions. :crumple:
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Post by FBM » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:27 am

Temporality is a problem with trying to tell whether an instinctive or analytic decision was the best move. Once you've made a decision and acted on it, you can't go back in time and re-do it with the other kind of decision and then compare results. And since time prevents the identical decision-making situation from recurring, there's always some guesswork involved, I think. But I agree with Traveler and others who have said that it seems best to try to maximize one's potential in both areas and apply them in their respectively most suitable contexts.
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Post by mistermack » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:03 pm

Crumple wrote:Crumple is available for good and bad, theists and atheists to remind you of the brevity of life and to live each day to the maximum of its potential.
Why?
What's the point of that?
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Post by Atheist-Lite » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:05 pm

mistermack wrote:
Crumple wrote:Crumple is available for good and bad, theists and atheists to remind you of the brevity of life and to live each day to the maximum of its potential.
Why?
What's the point of that?
Don't know really. It just comes with the contract when I go out on a job. :crumple:
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