Unarmed teen shooting: Is Florida law to blame?

[kiki5711]

The americans are giving away their unconscious prejudice on this thread.

If you're half black, and half white, you're regarded as black. Why aren't you regarded as white?

If you're half hispanic and half white, you're regarded as hispanic. Why not white?

It seems that to be seen as WHITE requires racial purity.

Seig Heil !!!

You're making the same point I was making. Obama has a white mother, but is called black. Zimmerman has a hispanic mother but is called white. Total bullshit in both instances. But if you look at Obama, he looks like a black guy. If you look at Zimmerman, he looks like a hispanic guy. Which point is relevant to the case at hand? Zimmerman's pedigree or his appearance? Did the police on the scene know his pedigree? No, I rather think not. Did they look at him? I'd find it hard to believe otherwise.

the police already knew him/of him/dealth with him/etc.. no need for them for profiling him....they took his word not because of color or lack of color, he was like a sore spot that won't go away, he made himself a cowboy of the neighborhood. they took his word BEFORE evidence could be proparly collected and investigated. It could not have been possible for the police to have anything else but zimmerman's word at the time of his questioning.

[FBM]

You seem to be ignoring the previous evidence that I offered in which his calls were actually stretched out over 8 years instead of a month, as was mis-reported in the media. The cops on hand at the scene may not have even been members of the police force when Zimmerman joined the neighborhood watch, much less have been intimately familiar with his appearance and record. I doubt there was much research into his history while en route to the scene.

[Tyrannical]

Remember, that home owners are probably favored in the legal system because owning property (as opposed to renting) makes you less likely to flee.

[kiki5711]

You seem to be ignoring the previous evidence that I offered in which his calls were actually stretched out over 8 years instead of a month, as was mis-reported in the media. The cops on hand at the scene may not have even been members of the police force when Zimmerman joined the neighborhood watch, much less have been intimately familiar with his appearance and record. I doubt there was much research into his history while en route to the scene.

I wasn't talking about his history of reports to 911. as being one and only indication that they knew of him.
Are you saying that the cops probably never heard of him until that night? That not even one cop there ever heard of him?

[FBM]

You seem to be ignoring the previous evidence that I offered in which his calls were actually stretched out over 8 years instead of a month, as was mis-reported in the media. The cops on hand at the scene may not have even been members of the police force when Zimmerman joined the neighborhood watch, much less have been intimately familiar with his appearance and record. I doubt there was much research into his history while en route to the scene.

I wasn't talking about his history of reports to 911. as being one and only indication that they knew of him.
Are you saying that the cops probably never heard of him until that night? That not even one cop there ever heard of him?

Out of the number of police officers employed by the precinct over the past 8 years, compared to the few who were on site at the incident in question? I'd say the odds are in favor that none of them may have been familiar with Zimmerman's history of call-ins over the past 8 years, considering the likely number of neighborhood watch patrol members in the precinct over the past 8 years, yes.

[kiki5711]

someone else posted this but I was wondering the same thing? just curious, do the cops have some evidence we have not heard of? also should be sidewalk/grass blood stains, either or/maybe both.? Is this something cops don't do? I mean take evidence at the scene of the crime? whoever is guilty or innocent, don't they need to do such evidence collecting reagrdless?

What's the prosecution going to do with the hair and blood samples the cops collected from the sidewalk?
What? No samples??
Wait. The wingonarrative is that the cops carefully paced through what happened with Zim explaining it all to them. When they get to the part where his head is being beaten on the sidewalk, they ask him, exactly where was your head being beaten against the sidewalk. Then they test that part of the sidewalk for hair and blood.
What? No such test?
No hair? No blood?
If this evidence doesn't exist, I'll be fascinated to learn why it doesn't.

[Coito ergo sum]

someone else posted this but I was wondering the same thing? just curious, do the cops have some evidence we have not heard of?

Is that a question that needs asking? Of course the police have evidence we haven't heard of. Zimmerman medical reports -- first responder reports - forensic analysis -- quite a bit. The prosecutor said so in her speech the day they arrested him. She alluded to other evidence that she examined.

also should be sidewalk/grass blood stains, either or/maybe both.? Is this something cops don't do? I mean take evidence at the scene of the crime? whoever is guilty or innocent, don't they need to do such evidence collecting reagrdless?

They investigate and collect evidence.

What's the prosecution going to do with the hair and blood samples the cops collected from the sidewalk?
What? No samples??
Wait. The wingonarrative is that the cops carefully paced through what happened with Zim explaining it all to them. When they get to the part where his head is being beaten on the sidewalk, they ask him, exactly where was your head being beaten against the sidewalk. Then they test that part of the sidewalk for hair and blood.
What? No such test?
No hair? No blood?
If this evidence doesn't exist, I'll be fascinated to learn why it doesn't.

It may. Or, perhaps it wasn't particularly bloody. But, an explanation will, I'm sure, be sought by the prosecution and/or the defense, depending on the circumstances.

[kiki5711]

Or, perhaps it wasn't particularly bloody. But, an explanation will, I'm sure, be sought by the prosecution and/or the defense, depending on the circumstances.

Police: Well, nor the sidewalk or grass wasn't so bloody, even though zimmerman was bleading so bad he needed bandages, which by the way don't show on the video, nevertheless, we didn't SEE any blood on the ground, so we didn't take any as evidence.

[JimC]

In England, Obama would simply be described as half-caste, if the subject ever came up.

Would he? I've never heard anyone referred to as that in Blighty.

A very old-fashioned term, with racist overtones, little used in this day and age. A current racist English yob would say coon, a racist Aussie would say darkie...

[Tyrannical]

Or, perhaps it wasn't particularly bloody. But, an explanation will, I'm sure, be sought by the prosecution and/or the defense, depending on the circumstances.

Police: Well, nor the sidewalk or grass wasn't so bloody, even though zimmerman was bleading so bad he needed bandages, which by the way don't show on the video, nevertheless, we didn't SEE any blood on the ground, so we didn't take any as evidence.

They took Zimmerman's bloody clothes in as evidence. Now I dunno if all that blood splatter analysis like in Dexter really works, but if it does it should be able to show if Zimmerman and Trayvon were standing, or if Zimmerman was on the ground with Trayvon over him.

[kiki5711]

Or, perhaps it wasn't particularly bloody. But, an explanation will, I'm sure, be sought by the prosecution and/or the defense, depending on the circumstances.

Police: Well, nor the sidewalk or grass wasn't so bloody, even though zimmerman was bleading so bad he needed bandages, which by the way don't show on the video, nevertheless, we didn't SEE any blood on the ground, so we didn't take any as evidence.

They took Zimmerman's bloody clothes in as evidence. Now I dunno if all that blood splatter analysis like in Dexter really works, but if it does it should be able to show if Zimmerman and Trayvon were standing, or if Zimmerman was on the ground with Trayvon over him.

so are you saying zimmerman's clothing in the video is NOT his clothing? they took his clothing off him as evidence, and gave him something else to wear, or did they just let him "wear" the evidence?.

I thought it was innitial procedure in any crime especially where someone ends up dead, secure the crime scene, for investigation, for collection of evidence etc....

it might be crucial to know where exactly was zimmerman's blood found and how much of it was it there. to prove his recollection that HE was the one on the ground being beaten by trayvon.

[FBM]

They took Zimmerman's bloody clothes in as evidence...

I admit I haven't been keeping up with the story very closely, T. Do you have a source for that info?

[mistermack]

In England, Obama would simply be described as half-caste, if the subject ever came up.

Would he? I've never heard anyone referred to as that in Blighty.

A very old-fashioned term, with racist overtones, little used in this day and age. A current racist English yob would say coon, a racist Aussie would say darkie...

I can absolutely assure you that the term half-caste has never had racist overtones in this country.
I know plenty of other terms that did, but half-caste was always the "proper", acceptable term.
Until mixed-race came in. And mixed race doesn't really say the same. Half-caste just means fifty-fifty ancestry. Mixed race can mean any proportions.

Wikipedia half-caste page

[Coito ergo sum]

Or, perhaps it wasn't particularly bloody. But, an explanation will, I'm sure, be sought by the prosecution and/or the defense, depending on the circumstances.

Police: Well, nor the sidewalk or grass wasn't so bloody, even though zimmerman was bleading so bad he needed bandages, which by the way don't show on the video, nevertheless, we didn't SEE any blood on the ground, so we didn't take any as evidence.

You don't have to be "bleeding so bad" to need bandages. Any sort of cut or wound would warrant a bandage, particular if first aid is being administered. Some cuts hardly bleed at all.

Not seeing blood on the ground would tend to show that the wound was not particularly bloody. Whether someone's head being hit against the ground would necessarily be particularly bloody will likely be an issue. I know lots of people who have been hit pretty darn hard on the head and did not bleed, including falls to the ground off of bicycles and skate boards as a kid, and they get large lumps without all that much bleeding. While profuse bleeding would certainly be evidence of a head wound, lack of bleeding is not required for there to have been a serious head injury. But, all this ought to be part of the first responders' reports and medical records from anyone who looked at him. In short, we don't know. I don't claim to know. You appear to make the claim of knowing that he wasn't injured.

Let's say the police examined him, and saw nice welt and contusion on the night in question. Let's say the ambulance or EMT folks treated him for a contusion. What would you say then? I don't know if that's what the evidence shows, and neither do you. But, if the police knew that on the night in question, it would certainly be consistent with Zimmerman's story, wouldn't it?

[Coito ergo sum]

Or, perhaps it wasn't particularly bloody. But, an explanation will, I'm sure, be sought by the prosecution and/or the defense, depending on the circumstances.

Police: Well, nor the sidewalk or grass wasn't so bloody, even though zimmerman was bleading so bad he needed bandages, which by the way don't show on the video, nevertheless, we didn't SEE any blood on the ground, so we didn't take any as evidence.

They took Zimmerman's bloody clothes in as evidence. Now I dunno if all that blood splatter analysis like in Dexter really works, but if it does it should be able to show if Zimmerman and Trayvon were standing, or if Zimmerman was on the ground with Trayvon over him.

Bullet trajectory forensics is going to be key. There will be a difference between a wound from a gun fired several feet away by a standing assailant at a standing victim, and a wound from close quarters from a gunman on his back to an attacker who is on top of him beating him.