Unarmed teen shooting: Is Florida law to blame?

[kiki5711]

I just wanted to add something. My oldest child is 20 and my youngest is 5. Please be aware that living in an affluent area isn't all what it is cracked up to be. There are more kids using prescription drugs and alcohol in affluent areas than in regular middle class ones. I know this from experience. Not only that but there is also a huge entitlement issue with the youth. When we move next year (God Willing) I want no part of that and will purposely buy a house in a middle class neighborhood where there are more stay at home moms and less entiltelment issues

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The rich kids could also afford "the good stuff" and threw kick-azz parties. Plus their parents often traveled on business and took extended vacations. We often had the house to ourselves.

It was ok, though, because eveyone was going to a prestigious university due to legacy.

Just because a district is affluent and "highly rated" doesn't mean life will be all peaches and roses.

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[kiki5711]

Dinsdale
05-15-2003, 11:09 AM
There are a few threads going on about the Northbrook HS girls hazing incident. One reason I suspect this is getting so much pub is that the north shore suburbs of Chicago are extremely wealthy. I think folks are surprised at the extreme behavior committed and tolerated by these children of privilege, as well as their parents' apparent toleration if not assistance in such acts.

Also in the news right now, are a couple of incidents from the western suburbs, where families went on vacation over spring break, and friends of the families' high school kids threw wild parties and trashed the houses. http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local ... 01330.html
One of these occurred in Glen Ellyn/Wheaton, and the other in Hinsdale.

You may recall an incident earlier this school year, where a group of HS boys in Hinsdale videotaped themselves having sex with a semi- or unconscious teenage girl in one of the boys' homes.

For those of you unfamiliar with the western suburbs, Hinsdale and Glen Ellyn, and to a lesser extent Wheaton, are at or near the top of their county in terms of household income, house price, etc.

These events got me wondering. At the other end of the spectrum, in very impoverished communities, perhaps teenage misbehavior may be exhibited in gang or crime behavior.

But I don't seem to hear of events as extreme as these coming from - say - more middle class or working class communities. Is this an accurate perceptionon my part, or is it just that hazing and vandalism committed by middle class kids is not publicized as widely.

If my perception is correct, and there seems to be a correlation between such extreme misbehavior and wealth, what do you imagine might be reasons for such a correlation?

[Coito ergo sum]

They do, in my experience. My neighbor is black. What they don't do, generally, is trespass across private lawns and between the dwellings. Most people, black or otherwise, use the sidewalk which is a device specially manufactured for people to walk on. The sidewalks also cross private property, but those areas constitute easements. Skulking through people's back and/or side yards, in the middle of the night, is generally frowned upon.

THAT'S A BUNCH OF BULL SHIT!!!!

white kids living in these rich neighborhoods are spoiled brats and do more damage that is ever reported and usually settled with money between neighboors.

No need to bring race into it. I didn't. You did. I referred to most PEOPLE black or otherwise, and I stated specifically that most PEOPLE do not skulk through yards in the middle of the night in gated communities. It creeps people out to suddenly see someone walking in the dark across one's back yard or side. There is no good reason for people to be there like that, so people are justifiably suspicious. I don't think blacks are more prone to do that than whites. I think if a white kid or a black kid is walking through my yard in the middle of the night with a hoodie pulled up over his head, I would immediately wonder what he's doing there.

what these WHITE RICH THUGS also do is drive their brand new corvettes or whatever to school sometimes racing down the street showing off their most expensive prize of the day, making lots of noise, total disregard for their neighboors, yell and speed, smoke and take dope, MORE than in poor neighboorhoods.

Let's assume for a second that is true. So what? What is the import of such a racist comparison?

JUST because they can afford it. THEY HAVE LOUD parties where drugs, alcohol, and anything illegal you can think of is passed around by a butler, or some other servant, they make noise, mess up the house, but hey it's no biggie, as long as they hire a bunch of Mexicans to clean it up after them.

A Mexican like Zimmerman?

Once again, what is the relevance of this racist comparison?

Is it still considered not suspicious for non-black folks to trespass on private property in gated communities in the middle of the night?

[Coito ergo sum]

I just wanted to add something. My oldest child is 20 and my youngest is 5. Please be aware that living in an affluent area isn't all what it is cracked up to be. There are more kids using prescription drugs and alcohol in affluent areas than in regular middle class ones. I know this from experience. Not only that but there is also a huge entitlement issue with the youth. When we move next year (God Willing) I want no part of that and will purposely buy a house in a middle class neighborhood where there are more stay at home moms and less entiltelment issues

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The rich kids could also afford "the good stuff" and threw kick-azz parties. Plus their parents often traveled on business and took extended vacations. We often had the house to ourselves.

It was ok, though, because eveyone was going to a prestigious university due to legacy.

Just because a district is affluent and "highly rated" doesn't mean life will be all peaches and roses.

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/general- ... z1qj130trL

What does any of that have to do with the Zimmerman/Martin case? Has someone denied that white kids do drugs and party?

[kiki5711]

What does any of that have to do with the Zimmerman/Martin case? Has someone denied that white kids do drugs and party?

Because you're trying to portray those white neighborhoods as ALL Holy law abiding citizens and that's just ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE.

[kiki5711]

A Mexican like Zimmerman?

He's Not Mexican. His mother is from Peru and father (I assume German) since they men while he was stationed in Germany.

[Coito ergo sum]

What does any of that have to do with the Zimmerman/Martin case? Has someone denied that white kids do drugs and party?

Because you're trying to portray those white neighborhoods as ALL Holy law abiding citizens and that's just ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE.

That's your own baggage, kiki.

I never made such a claim.

What I did say was very specific. I said that in gated communities people, whether black or white, generally do not trespass around the lawns of residents in the middle of the night and skulk around their back and/or side yards.

That is not stating or implying that the neighborhood is ALL holy law abiding citizens. It's just saying that if a resident of gated community sees a man in their back yard or skulking through their property, they are going to wonder what he is doing there.

That has nothing at all to do with the fact that kids use drugs and have parties.

[Coito ergo sum]

A Mexican like Zimmerman?

He's Not Mexican. His mother is from Peru and father (I assume German) since they men while he was stationed in Germany.

In my view, it doesn't matter what he is. But to others it does seem to matter. Funny how he's often referred to as "white."

[Seth]

This is not "defense of a gun nut" this is a critical and logical examination of the laws involved, which clearly could justify Zimmerman's actions if what he said happened actually happened.

Yes it is. This gun nut should not have been carrying a gun in the first place.

Based on what evidence do you make this determination?

So, black people don't live in gated communities, right? Cuz, they just don't belong there, only white people do.

Don't know, that's your ass-ertion, not any sort of statement or implication I made. People of all colors trespass and commit crimes.

The investigation of the incident here is still going on. They now have the FBI and a team of Florida State prosecutors, including a "special prosecutor," evaluating the matter and conducting investigations. Why do people think there hasn't been an investigation?

Only now, one month later, after it became national news.

And you know that there was not an ongoing investigation by the police and DA how, exactly?

[Seth]

They do, in my experience. My neighbor is black. What they don't do, generally, is trespass across private lawns and between the dwellings. Most people, black or otherwise, use the sidewalk which is a device specially manufactured for people to walk on. The sidewalks also cross private property, but those areas constitute easements. Skulking through people's back and/or side yards, in the middle of the night, is generally frowned upon.

THAT'S A BUNCH OF BULL SHIT!!!!

white kids living in these rich neighborhoods are spoiled brats and do more damage that is ever reported and usually settled with money between neighboors.

what these WHITE RICH THUGS also do is drive their brand new corvettes or whatever to school sometimes racing down the street showing off their most expensive prize of the day, making lots of noise, total disregard for their neighboors, yell and speed, smoke and take dope, MORE than in poor neighboorhoods. JUST because they can afford it. THEY HAVE LOUD parties where drugs, alcohol, and anything illegal you can think of is passed around by a butler, or some other servant, they make noise, mess up the house, but hey it's no biggie, as long as they hire a bunch of Mexicans to clean it up after them.

How...racist...of you.

[Warren Dew]

But I don't seem to hear of events as extreme as these coming from - say - more middle class or working class communities. Is this an accurate perceptionon my part, or is it just that hazing and vandalism committed by middle class kids is not publicized as widely.

It's mostly that hazing and vandalism committed by middle class kids is not publicized as widely.

[kiki5711]

They do, in my experience. My neighbor is black. What they don't do, generally, is trespass across private lawns and between the dwellings. Most people, black or otherwise, use the sidewalk which is a device specially manufactured for people to walk on. The sidewalks also cross private property, but those areas constitute easements. Skulking through people's back and/or side yards, in the middle of the night, is generally frowned upon.

THAT'S A BUNCH OF BULL SHIT!!!!

white kids living in these rich neighborhoods are spoiled brats and do more damage that is ever reported and usually settled with money between neighboors.

what these WHITE RICH THUGS also do is drive their brand new corvettes or whatever to school sometimes racing down the street showing off their most expensive prize of the day, making lots of noise, total disregard for their neighboors, yell and speed, smoke and take dope, MORE than in poor neighboorhoods. JUST because they can afford it. THEY HAVE LOUD parties where drugs, alcohol, and anything illegal you can think of is passed around by a butler, or some other servant, they make noise, mess up the house, but hey it's no biggie, as long as they hire a bunch of Mexicans to clean it up after them.

How...racist...of you.

NO KIDDING!!!!RIGHT BACK AT YOU!!!!! MR. RACIST OF ALL.
This case IS all about racism.

What if it was a real burglar with a huddie and he was white? Would Zimmerman reacted the same way, or would he just say "hi man how ya doing" and left?

And you know that there was not an ongoing investigation by the police and DA how, exactly?

I did NOT say there was an immediate investigation, (because there wasn't), they only asked him a few questions and were satisfied with his answer and let him go,it only became FBI investigation after the news became viral.

[kiki5711]

What does any of that have to do with the Zimmerman/Martin case? Has someone denied that white kids do drugs and party?

Because you're trying to portray those white neighborhoods as ALL Holy law abiding citizens and that's just ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE.

That's your own baggage, kiki.

I never made such a claim.

What I did say was very specific. I said that in gated communities people, whether black or white, generally do not trespass around the lawns of residents in the middle of the night and skulk around their back and/or side yards.

That is not stating or implying that the neighborhood is ALL holy law abiding citizens. It's just saying that if a resident of gated community sees a man in their back yard or skulking through their property, they are going to wonder what he is doing there.

That has nothing at all to do with the fact that kids use drugs and have parties.

Where the fuck did you read that Trayvon was in someone's back yard?

[Coito ergo sum]

What if it was a real burglar with a huddie and he was white? Would Zimmerman reacted the same way, or would he just say "hi man how ya doing" and left?

I don't know, and neither do you.

I see no reason to suspect our Peruvian Mr.Zimmerman of being so racist as to allow white burglars to go free. Why do you think he would?

Is your hypothetical white guy skulking through people's yards in the middle of the night?

And you know that there was not an ongoing investigation by the police and DA how, exactly?

I did NOT say there was an immediate investigation, it only became FBI investigation after the news became viral.

It only ever would. The FBI only gets involved in cross-border kidnappings, interstate crime rackets, and financial crimes of like $100,000 or more. For them to EVER get involved in a local murder would require political pressure whipped up by agitators like Sharpton. That is why they are involved now. People with the power to make powerful people uncomfortable are rattling the cages.

[Warren Dew]

What if it was a real burglar with a huddie and he was white? Would Zimmerman reacted the same way, or would he just say "hi man how ya doing" and left?

I'd bet on him reacting the same way, given the "self appointed captain of the neighborhood watch" thing.