Unarmed teen shooting: Is Florida law to blame?

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Post by Tyrannical » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:57 am

BOO-YAH!

Trayvon caught previously with burglary tools and women's jewelry. Of course it's not his :hehe:

I can see why Zimmerman was suspicious, Trayvon may very well have been casing houses to rob :ask:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -tool.html
Trayvon Martin was allegedly suspended from school when security officers found what they described as a 'burglary tool' and women’s jewellery in his backpack.

Although the school officialy suspended in October Martin for grafitti, after he and some friends wrote ‘W.T.F.’ on a school locker, the Herald implies that the real reason was the 'burglary tool' - a flathead screwdriver - and jewellery. Martin insisted that they did not belong to him :hehe:
According to an October report of the incident by the Miami Dade Schools Police, obtained by the Miami Herald, Trayvon never received any punishment for the jewellery because he said it was not his and it belonged to a friend :hehe:

In total, he had 12 pieces of mostly women’s rings and earrings in his bag.
Instead, he was suspended on October 21for the graffiti charge.
His February suspension was for marijuana and drug paraphernalia possession.
According to the Miami Herald, Miami-Dade Schools Police reported finding a bag with marijuana residue and a ‘marijuana pipe’ in the 17-year-old’s possession.
The boy was never criminally charged, but the Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School has a zero-tolerance policy when it comes to drug related incidents so he was suspended for an undisclosed amount of time.
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Re: Unarmed teen shooting: Is Florida law to blame?

Post by HomerJay » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:37 pm

Only simpletons who bought the Skittles line will be shocked by this anyone who is looking at the evidence willsurely just go Meh.

Does this prove Martin attacked Zimmerman? No. Does it make it more likely? No. Does it make the Florida law less insane? No.

Good to see the merkins relying on the British to keep them informed.

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:01 pm

HomerJay wrote: No. Does it make the Florida law less insane? No.
The Florida "stand your ground" statute. The bit that was added in 2005 and which is at issue in the Martin/Zimmerman thing, is 776.013(3):
776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—
(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
(2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or
(b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or
(c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
(d) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.
(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
(4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.
(5) As used in this section, the term:
(a) “Dwelling” means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.
(b) “Residence” means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.
(c) “Vehicle” means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.
What is "insane" about that?
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Good to see the merkins relying on the British to keep them informed.
That's because everything Yerapeeins do is way better than anything Merkins do. Our media is just a paltry imitation of proper British media. :{D

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Re: Unarmed teen shooting: Is Florida law to blame?

Post by Tyrannical » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:07 pm

The Florida "stand your ground" statute has nothing to do with anything. Zimmerman was on the ground with Trayvon on top pummeling him with blows. This simply concerns self defense statutes.
Remember, a gated community is private property and non-residents like Trayvon should expect to have their presence questioned.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:11 pm

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Nigger t-shirt to be issued later, to be sure.

But, I never thought that Mexicans were considered "crackers."

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:13 pm

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You just know that there is something shady going on if these two toolbags are involved...

As soon as Sharpton is involved in anything, I think we can safely say that his side is probably wrong.

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Post by Tyrannical » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:56 pm

Trayvon, aka NO_LIMIT_NIGGA had a twitter account too :eddy:

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-d ... z1qGztV3LT
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Re: Unarmed teen shooting: Is Florida law to blame?

Post by Seabass » Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:09 pm

HomerJay wrote:Only simpletons who bought the Skittles line will be shocked by this anyone who is looking at the evidence willsurely just go Meh.

Does this prove Martin attacked Zimmerman? No. Does it make it more likely? No. Does it make the Florida law less insane? No.

Good to see the merkins relying on the British to keep them informed.
Well, Tyrannical is relying on Daily Mail to keep himself informed anyway.

Good to see the limeys are still supercilious, self-important jackasses.
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Post by Tyrannical » Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:29 pm

Seabass wrote:
HomerJay wrote:Only simpletons who bought the Skittles line will be shocked by this anyone who is looking at the evidence willsurely just go Meh.

Does this prove Martin attacked Zimmerman? No. Does it make it more likely? No. Does it make the Florida law less insane? No.

Good to see the merkins relying on the British to keep them informed.
Well, Tyrannical is relying on Daily Mail to keep himself informed anyway.

Good to see the limeys are still supercilious, self-important jackasses.
Are ad hominem attacks all you are capable of :hehe: It's funny how racists have statistics and facts to fall back onto while anti-racists only resort to name calling.
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Post by Seabass » Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:21 pm

Tyrannical wrote:
Seabass wrote:
HomerJay wrote:Only simpletons who bought the Skittles line will be shocked by this anyone who is looking at the evidence willsurely just go Meh.

Does this prove Martin attacked Zimmerman? No. Does it make it more likely? No. Does it make the Florida law less insane? No.

Good to see the merkins relying on the British to keep them informed.
Well, Tyrannical is relying on Daily Mail to keep himself informed anyway.

Good to see the limeys are still supercilious, self-important jackasses.
Are ad hominem attacks all you are capable of :hehe: It's funny how racists have statistics and facts to fall back onto while anti-racists only resort to name calling.
Oh, sorry Tyrannical. I'll try to have a serious, rational conversation with you as soon as I finish having this serious, rational conversation with a flat-earther.
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Re: Unarmed teen shooting: Is Florida law to blame?

Post by Warren Dew » Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:08 am

More reason not to have jumped to conclusions:
Sanford cops wanted to charge Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin case
Sanford cops asked prosecutors to file charges in the Trayvon Martin case, but the Seminole County State Attorney’s office held off.

SANFORD -- Despite public claims that there wasn’t enough probable cause to make a criminal case in the Trayvon Martin killing, early in the investigation the Sanford Police Department requested an arrest warrant from the Seminole County State Attorney’s office, the special prosecutor in the case told The Miami Herald on Tuesday....
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/27/2 ... harge.html

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Post by laklak » Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:50 am

The article about the suspensions was originally in the Miami Herald.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2 ... ayvon.html
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Post by JimC » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:03 am

I guess mistermack, MrJonno and I will cop endless flak, but folks, it's all about the ridiculous fucking number of handguns possessed by people who shouldn't be allowed a water pistol...
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JimC wrote:I guess mistermack, MrJonno and I will cop endless flak, but folks, it's all about the ridiculous fucking number of handguns possessed by people who shouldn't be allowed a water pistol...
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Post by Svartalf » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:25 am

JimC wrote:I guess mistermack, MrJonno and I will cop endless flak, but folks, it's all about the ridiculous fucking number of handguns possessed by people who shouldn't be allowed a water pistol...
I prefer the concept of letting every jack bill and harry access to weapons, so that responsible citizens can have them too rather than the opposite options that only specialized bodies of citizens, mostly manned by morons and power trippers, should have them, which leaves the common man essentially defenceless, both from law flouting predators and from the oppression of the tyrants.
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