In God We Must - Why won’t the U.S. accept its atheists?

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Post by amused » Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:59 pm

I don't see anything to 'be' reconciled.

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Post by Seth » Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:33 pm

Tyrannical wrote:We don't trust them.
With good reason too.
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Post by Seth » Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:35 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
mistermack wrote:My tactic has always been to leave believers to it, so long as they leave me alone. But as soon as they come out with any god stuff, I make it clear that it's just a ludicrous superstition.
If they get offended, I can just say "you started it".

When the world pushes religion in my face, I feel entitled to ridicule it.
Except at funerals and weddings. ( Which I do my best to avoid ).
I think the fundamental political tenet of atheism is "Keep your god out of my life".
Which is in large part what makes atheism a religion...
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Re: In God We Must - Why won’t the U.S. accept its atheists?

Post by Ian » Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:36 pm

Seth wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
mistermack wrote:My tactic has always been to leave believers to it, so long as they leave me alone. But as soon as they come out with any god stuff, I make it clear that it's just a ludicrous superstition.
If they get offended, I can just say "you started it".

When the world pushes religion in my face, I feel entitled to ridicule it.
Except at funerals and weddings. ( Which I do my best to avoid ).
I think the fundamental political tenet of atheism is "Keep your god out of my life".
Which is in large part what makes atheism a religion...
Logic fail.

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Post by Seth » Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:57 pm

Ian wrote:
Seth wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
mistermack wrote:My tactic has always been to leave believers to it, so long as they leave me alone. But as soon as they come out with any god stuff, I make it clear that it's just a ludicrous superstition.
If they get offended, I can just say "you started it".

When the world pushes religion in my face, I feel entitled to ridicule it.
Except at funerals and weddings. ( Which I do my best to avoid ).
I think the fundamental political tenet of atheism is "Keep your god out of my life".
Which is in large part what makes atheism a religion...
Logic fail.
Not even a little. It's said that "atheism" is nothing more than a lack of belief in god(s), but when Gawdzilla correctly notes that a "fundamental political tenet of atheism is "Keep your god out of my life" " he is noting the very facts that prove that atheism is indeed a religion.
"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S

"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke

"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth

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Post by Rum » Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:04 pm

Seth wrote:
Not even a little. It's said that "atheism" is nothing more than a lack of belief in god(s), but when Gawdzilla correctly notes that a "fundamental political tenet of atheism is "Keep your god out of my life" " he is noting the very facts that prove that atheism is indeed a religion.
You are quite simply wrong if you believe there is a god. You need to accept that Seth actually can be wrong and learn from this. Perhaps then you can move on with your life and become a nicer human being. :lol:

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Post by Robert_S » Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:28 pm

Seth wrote:
Ian wrote:
Seth wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
mistermack wrote:My tactic has always been to leave believers to it, so long as they leave me alone. But as soon as they come out with any god stuff, I make it clear that it's just a ludicrous superstition.
If they get offended, I can just say "you started it".

When the world pushes religion in my face, I feel entitled to ridicule it.
Except at funerals and weddings. ( Which I do my best to avoid ).
I think the fundamental political tenet of atheism is "Keep your god out of my life".
Which is in large part what makes atheism a religion...
Logic fail.
Not even a little. It's said that "atheism" is nothing more than a lack of belief in god(s), but when Gawdzilla correctly notes that a "fundamental political tenet of atheism is "Keep your god out of my life" " he is noting the very facts that prove that atheism is indeed a religion.
I disagree that it's a fundamental tenant. But it is a fairly natural and commonly held position for obvious reasons. Not only among atheists, but among almost every member of humanity when it comes to the god Hrangalangalang.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Post by klr » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:05 pm

mistermack wrote:My tactic has always been to leave believers to it, so long as they leave me alone. But as soon as they come out with any god stuff, I make it clear that it's just a ludicrous superstition.
If they get offended, I can just say "you started it".

When the world pushes religion in my face, I feel entitled to ridicule it.
Except at funerals and weddings. ( Which I do my best to avoid ).
This is pretty much my position as well ... although I wouldn't go out of my way to be offensive to someone unless they really deserved it.

If someone thinks they have the right to talk about their beliefs without being asked (and sometimes do much more than talk), then I've got the right to counter as I see fit.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:42 pm

Rum wrote:
Seth wrote:
Not even a little. It's said that "atheism" is nothing more than a lack of belief in god(s), but when Gawdzilla correctly notes that a "fundamental political tenet of atheism is "Keep your god out of my life" " he is noting the very facts that prove that atheism is indeed a religion.
You are quite simply wrong if you believe there is a god. You need to accept that Seth actually can be wrong and learn from this. Perhaps then you can move on with your life and become a nicer human being. :lol:
It's fair saner to not read his shit, Rum.
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Post by amused » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:56 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:It's fair saner to not read his shit, Rum.


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Except you bastards keep quoting and harshing my mellow! :lay:

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Post by maiforpeace » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:10 am

I'm glad Slate published this article...it doesn't say anything really new (a lot of the content was similar to material I used several years ago when I gave my speech "Misconceptions About Atheists") but the fact that these misconceptions continue to exist is exactly why this article is needed.

It was also a lovely tribute to Christopher Hitchens.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:16 am

amused wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:It's fair saner to not read his shit, Rum.


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Except you bastards keep quoting and harshing my mellow! :lay:
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Post by Tero » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:57 am

Seth wrote:
Not even a little. It's said that "atheism" is nothing more than a lack of belief in god(s), but when Gawdzilla correctly notes that a "fundamental political tenet of atheism is "Keep your god out of my life" " he is noting the very facts that prove that atheism is indeed a religion.
What if I want to be atheist and still approve of my child's invisible friend Jesus? Can I still be of the atheist religion?

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:02 am

Seth wrote:Not even a little. It's said that "atheism" is nothing more than a lack of belief in god(s), but when Gawdzilla correctly notes that a "fundamental political tenet of atheism is "Keep your god out of my life" " he is noting the very facts that prove that atheism is indeed a religion.
Utter horse shit, as usual.
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Post by apophenia » Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:28 am




Meh. I was approached while shopping by a couple of college age proselytizers, who, said they were moved to compassion by the sight of my disability, and asked if they could pray for me or some such. I said simply, "No, you cannot." But I'm sure the look on my face was hot enough to melt lead. I'm not sure I feel that I had any reason to be offended. JacksSmirkingRevenge in another thread, paraphrasing, appears to be of the opinion that when I'm in public, I have no rights to privacy. I disagree with Jack on other dimensions, but I'm not sure how I feel about proselytizers accosting me in the supermarket, and would probably feel bad and regret it if I turned around and gave them an earful, or a 'tude and a half. Maybe that's just me. I'm very opinionated, but I'm also sweet and nice. I'd probably apologize after reading them the riot act, and offer a donation for their ministry. A fellow Ratz has their position listed as "Bloodcurdlingly atheist"; I don't think I could be that — I'm not bloodcurdlingly anything. About the only thing that really sets me off is bad thinking. But I can't hate somebody for not thinking through something properly. I guess I'm just another victim of the "Minnesota nice". Maybe I need to move to Jersey (or Cardiff) to learn how to be a right, proper whatever. Got me.


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