Deadly attack in Belgium

[Seth]

Rather live in a dictatorship with tanks on the street if that was what it took to prevent the general public getting hold of firearms.

My, you are a timid and paranoid soul, aren't you? I suggest you might want to try a dictatorship with tanks in the streets before you speak out your ass. I suggest, oh, Cuba, or perhaps Venezuela, or maybe the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Have a nice trip.

In a tyranny they will generally shoot for going against the regime, the general public don't need that excuse they will do it because they are drunk or just had a bad day at the office.

You think you're safe in the UK? Need I remind you that the folks in Belgium thought they were safe? Here's a clue, you're not safe in the UK. You're not safe anywhere in the world, even in dictatorships with tanks in the streets, against someone who really wants to kill you.

Live in fear. Stay awake nights worrying about your fellow citizens who are prowling about looking to hurt you. Piss your pants every time a car backfires. That's what you deserve, to be forever locked in your worst nightmare.

[Seth]

Seth wrote:

...No nation or political system that blah, blah, blah can be permitted to exist because blah, blah, blah...

Amerika uber alles...

No, liberty and personal freedom uber alles.

[JimC]

MrJonno wrote:

I'm pretty confident if you had an ICBM in your backyard you wouldnt use (that doesnt apply to some other people on this forum) but it that a good enough reason to allow 'reasonable' people to have them

Is that an ICBM in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?

Seth wrote:

...No nation or political system that blah, blah, blah can be permitted to exist because blah, blah, blah...

Amerika uber alles...

No, liberty and personal freedom uber alles.

That fanatical certainty that your way is not only the best way, but the only way, and must be imposed on others by force if necessary, is the hallmark of absolutist extremists since time began...

[MrJonno]

Liberty and freedom are nice to haves but are certainly not the basis of existance. They certainly can improve quality of life if implemented properly but the idea they are more important than not living in war zone, having food/shelter/medical care is utterly absurd

[Seth]

That fanatical certainty that your way is not only the best way, but the only way, and must be imposed on others by force if necessary, is the hallmark of absolutist extremists since time began...

Death to tyrants.

[Seth]

Liberty and freedom are nice to haves but are certainly not the basis of existance. They certainly can improve quality of life if implemented properly but the idea they are more important than not living in war zone, having food/shelter/medical care is utterly absurd

You can be a slave if you like. I'll live free or die thanks.

[PsychoSerenity]

I'll live free or die thanks.

You've never lived free. And if you did you wouldn't live long. Humans are pretty useless without the help of other humans. And all the help you've received throughout your life came with a huge number of conditions and restrictions on your freedom. You may not see them because you've been conditioned not to want things outside of those restrictions, but that doesn't mean they're not there.

[Seth]

I'll live free or die thanks.

You've never lived free. And if you did you wouldn't live long. Humans are pretty useless without the help of other humans. And all the help you've received throughout your life came with a huge number of conditions and restrictions on your freedom. You may not see them because you've been conditioned not to want things outside of those restrictions, but that doesn't mean they're not there.

That's the nature of civilization it's true. But there are fundamental liberties that I will not live without, like freedom of speech, freedom to believe and worship as I please, freedom to keep and bear arms for my defense and defense of the nation and a host of other natural rights that make one "free" in the relative sense, if not in the absolutist anarchistic sense of the word.

[MrJonno]

Liberty and freedom are nice to haves but are certainly not the basis of existance. They certainly can improve quality of life if implemented properly but the idea they are more important than not living in war zone, having food/shelter/medical care is utterly absurd

You can be a slave if you like. I'll live free or die thanks.

Strange thaat most people don't commit suicide the moment they lose freedom, oh I forgot most people aren't dangerous psychopaths

[JimC]

That fanatical certainty that your way is not only the best way, but the only way, and must be imposed on others by force if necessary, is the hallmark of absolutist extremists since time began...

Death to tyrants.

So, you think that trite little cliche proves anything?

We are not talking dictatorships here. A large number of western democracies have taken a considerably different approach to gun control. That different approach is comprehenseively supported by the majority of the voting public in our countries.

And you think it not only correct to lecture the rest of the world, but to imply that such controls on personal freedom should be overthrown by violent means...

You have truly lost yourself in the world of Dr Strangelove...

[Seth]

Liberty and freedom are nice to haves but are certainly not the basis of existance. They certainly can improve quality of life if implemented properly but the idea they are more important than not living in war zone, having food/shelter/medical care is utterly absurd

You can be a slave if you like. I'll live free or die thanks.

Strange thaat most people don't commit suicide the moment they lose freedom, oh I forgot most people aren't dangerous psychopaths

People born to slavery and servility often wear their chains lightly. Even black slaves after the Civil War lamented about the loss of security and safety that they found on the plantation, and were (justifiably) fearful of asserting their freedom. Many thousands were killed in the South during and after the Reconstruction by whites who would not accept the end of slavery, and the scourge of slavery still affects our society even today.

Anyway, I'd rather be a "dangerous psychopath" in a land of sheeple than be mutton on the spit, because the wolf in the fold is the king of the flock. Better I'm eating your carcass than you eat mine. Since you choose to be a slave to your betters, your opinion is of no interest, it's the baaaing of a sheeple who couldn't defend himself if he had a machine gun in his hands.

Me, I'll have mutton with mint sauce...

[JimC]

Another serve of delusional libertarian crap...

[Seth]

That fanatical certainty that your way is not only the best way, but the only way, and must be imposed on others by force if necessary, is the hallmark of absolutist extremists since time began...

Death to tyrants.

So, you think that trite little cliche proves anything?

Proves I've got the balls to defend my rights, and the tools, while you graze placidly in the commons, waiting for the slaughterhouse to herd you up the ramp.

We are not talking dictatorships here. A large number of western democracies have taken a considerably different approach to gun control. That different approach is comprehenseively supported by the majority of the voting public in our countries.

And any of them that deny the right to keep and bear arms to any law-abiding citizen do not deserve to exist because they are simple tyrannies, be they dictatorships or tyranny of the majority.

And you think it not only correct to lecture the rest of the world, but to imply that such controls on personal freedom should be overthrown by violent means...

Those who seek to disarm and enslave others have no right to continued existence on this planet.

You have truly lost yourself in the world of Dr Strangelove...

No, I'm the one who is awake and aware and prepared to fight to preserve liberty and freedom for all who desire it, it's you who is staring dumbly at the bolt-gun, wondering what's going to happen to you next.

[Seth]

Another serve of delusional libertarian crap...

'Fraid it's the socialist sheeple who are the delusional ones.

[JimC]

Seth wrote:

Those who seek to disarm and enslave others have no right to continued existence on this planet.

Are we on the same planet?

Are you seriously suggesting this applies to democratically elected western governments such as Australia, the UK and most of Europe? Countries who have gun-ontrol laws different to yours, supported by a majority of their voters?

If that is the case, you need serious psychiatric help...