Casting Out Demons On The NHS?

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Casting Out Demons On The NHS?

Post by Atheist-Lite » Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:53 pm

Better than CBT. They dump you in the local pond and if you drown you are not a witch. If you survive you are one and get burnt at the stake. That's 100% cure 100% of the time. Go for it? Crumple apporved therapy. :tup:

http://www.publicservice.co.uk/feature_ ... p?id=18038

Helping patients by casting out their demons
03 November 2011, By Blair McPherson

You would not be surprised to be told that some people with mental health problems claim to hear voices and be possessed by demons. You might be a little surprised to be informed that the church still carries out exorcisms or "deliverance" (from evil) as they are now known.

But you probably would be very surprised to learn that the NHS uses exorcism as an alternative form of treatment for mental health problems. According to an article in the Times news paper (1/11/11) the church and the NHS are quietly working together on exorcism.

This is not some wacky cult but mainstream religion and not some unconventional lone psychiatrist but respected professionals. The Church of England has 44 exorcists appointed by the Archbishop of Canterbury. In the article Dr Rob Walker, consultant psychiatrist and lecturer at the University of Edinburgh, referrers to medical support groups across the country include Church of England and Catholic exorcists and Imams. Walker is quoted as saying that "every consultant will see a handful of patients in their career requiring some kind of deliverance".

Professor Robin M Murray, head of Psychiatric Research at Kings Collage Institute of Psychiatry, is more cautious about the role of exorcism in treating mental health patients, saying he doesn't know of any scientific evidence that exorcism works but acknowledging that not all psychiatric problems respond to conventional treatments. He goes on to say that he would have thought it reasonable for a hospital chaplain to carry this out.

The Royal College of Psychiatry has produced a set of guidelines on spirituality written by Professor Christopher Cook. The article in the Times quotes Professor Cook as saying "there is a spiritual dimension to all health related issues and exorcism may be appropriate in some cases".

You can see why mental health services might want to know if someone is telling their priest or Imam that they have been hearing voices telling them to hurt people or themselves.

You can see why the church might want to have links with local psychiatric services for support when coming across a member of their congregation in distress. But what is being discussed here seems to go beyond this and view exorcism as an appropriate treatment for someone with a mental health problem.

I didn't even think the church still believed in evil spirits anymore! I find the view that it can't do any harm to try exorcism as an alternative treatment troubling since I would have thought colluding with the delusion that an individual is possessed by a demon could be very damaging.

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Re: Casting Out Demons On The NHS?

Post by Schneibster » Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:00 pm

Last I heard Charles was talking about the NHS providing magic water therapy, i.e. homeopathic remedies, so I'm not entirely astonished.
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Post by Rum » Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:12 pm

Its a conundrum though. Given that this sort of 'treatment' might work in the same way a placebo is known to, which is better I wonder, to use total woo to 'cure' someone (nonsense but effective) or use a modern empirical method that may no offer a cure!?

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Re: Casting Out Demons On The NHS?

Post by Atheist-Lite » Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:16 pm

Rum wrote:Its a conundrum though. Given that this sort of 'treatment' might work in the same way a placebo is known to, which is better I wonder, to use total woo to 'cure' someone (nonsense but effective) or use a modern empirical method that may no offer a cure!?
The last time they scaled this up a lot of old folk lost their homes after being accused of witchcraft and getting themselves burnt at the stake. :crumple:
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Post by Horwood Beer-Master » Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:38 pm

...This is not some wacky cult but mainstream religion...
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Post by Schneibster » Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:18 pm

Rum wrote:Its a conundrum though. Given that this sort of 'treatment' might work in the same way a placebo is known to, which is better I wonder, to use total woo to 'cure' someone (nonsense but effective) or use a modern empirical method that may no offer a cure!?
No, because then people will misuse it to, say, try to "cure" cancer. That's always the problem with woo.
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Post by Geoff » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:16 am

And yet more lunacy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15570290

Archbishop calls for NHS bill to cover spiritual health...
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Post by Jonesboy » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:14 am

Crumple wrote:Better than CBT. They dump you in the local pond and if you drown you are not a witch. If you survive you are one and get burnt at the stake. That's 100% cure 100% of the time. Go for it? Crumple apporved therapy. :tup:

http://www.publicservice.co.uk/feature_ ... p?id=18038

Helping patients by casting out their demons
03 November 2011, By Blair McPherson

You would not be surprised to be told that some people with mental health problems claim to hear voices and be possessed by demons. You might be a little surprised to be informed that the church still carries out exorcisms or "deliverance" (from evil) as they are now known.

But you probably would be very surprised to learn that the NHS uses exorcism as an alternative form of treatment for mental health problems. According to an article in the Times news paper (1/11/11) the church and the NHS are quietly working together on exorcism.

This is not some wacky cult but mainstream religion and not some unconventional lone psychiatrist but respected professionals. The Church of England has 44 exorcists appointed by the Archbishop of Canterbury. In the article Dr Rob Walker, consultant psychiatrist and lecturer at the University of Edinburgh, referrers to medical support groups across the country include Church of England and Catholic exorcists and Imams. Walker is quoted as saying that "every consultant will see a handful of patients in their career requiring some kind of deliverance".

Professor Robin M Murray, head of Psychiatric Research at Kings Collage Institute of Psychiatry, is more cautious about the role of exorcism in treating mental health patients, saying he doesn't know of any scientific evidence that exorcism works but acknowledging that not all psychiatric problems respond to conventional treatments. He goes on to say that he would have thought it reasonable for a hospital chaplain to carry this out.

The Royal College of Psychiatry has produced a set of guidelines on spirituality written by Professor Christopher Cook. The article in the Times quotes Professor Cook as saying "there is a spiritual dimension to all health related issues and exorcism may be appropriate in some cases".

You can see why mental health services might want to know if someone is telling their priest or Imam that they have been hearing voices telling them to hurt people or themselves.

You can see why the church might want to have links with local psychiatric services for support when coming across a member of their congregation in distress. But what is being discussed here seems to go beyond this and view exorcism as an appropriate treatment for someone with a mental health problem.

I didn't even think the church still believed in evil spirits anymore! I find the view that it can't do any harm to try exorcism as an alternative treatment troubling since I would have thought colluding with the delusion that an individual is possessed by a demon could be very damaging.

(continued, they spend years studying to come to this? quack quack)
I'm all for it. Sounds a great idea.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:15 am

Will the demons being going to a homeless shelter? :what:
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Post by Jonesboy » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:16 am

Schneibster wrote:Last I heard Charles was talking about the NHS providing magic water therapy, i.e. homeopathic remedies, so I'm not entirely astonished.
I'm all for it. Sounds a great idea.

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Post by Jonesboy » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:16 am

Gawdzilla wrote:Will the demons being going to a homeless shelter? :what:
I'm all for it. Sounds a great idea.

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Post by Jonesboy » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:17 am

I'm all for it. Sounds a great idea.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:17 am

Jonesboy wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:Will the demons being going to a homeless shelter? :what:
I'm all for it. Sounds a great idea.
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Re: Casting Out Demons On The NHS?

Post by Jonesboy » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:18 am

Geoff wrote:And yet more lunacy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15570290

Archbishop calls for NHS bill to cover spiritual health...
I'm all for it. Sounds a great idea.

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