Robert_S wrote:It is a nice trolling tool, to associate everything you don't like with Christianity and/or theism.
If you're referring to Exi5, he hasn't talked about whether or not he likes anything ... he's been making some provocative statements about the basis of our thinking and behaviour as it relates to religion in our culture. He's got some erroneous ideas about it and it would be good to know if he's considering some of the information that's being exchanged, but the theme he's raised is interesting.
I don't know why when one person presents a contentious idea for discussion some people get antagonistic in response.
charlou wrote:I don't know why when one person presents a contentious idea for discussion some people get antagonistic in response.
It depends partly on how it's presented, and partly on the types of arguments made. Having been trolled a lot, most of us are alert for it (I know I am) and not particularly tolerant when someone starts saying stuff that's obviously misguided, like for example talking about Christianity without knowing what the Nicene Creed is.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. -Daniel Patrick Moynihan
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. -Thomas Jefferson
Exi5tentialist wrote:the Bible, a heavily edited anthology of books collated in Rome, by Romans, for Romans.
Not only do you not know anything about science, you also don't know anything about history. Worst of all, you're discussing Christianity with no evident understanding of the origin of the Babble, nor of the fact that different denominations use different versions of it; the quickest example and most likely to be already known to most people is the Talmud.
Folks, arguing with this individual about religion is like arguing with a man deaf from birth about the difference between Beethoven and Bach.
Oh no! iF you want bigoted and stuck in their own opinions about music despite ignorance on the subject then I'm your man there !
charlou wrote:...he's been making some provocative statements...
I don't know why when one person presents a contentious idea for discussion some people get antagonistic in response.
His basic ideas aren't all that provocative really. It is the direction of his logical errors and his tone that irritate me usually.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
-Mr P
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charlou wrote:...he's been making some provocative statements...
I don't know why when one person presents a contentious idea for discussion some people get antagonistic in response.
His basic ideas aren't all that provocative really.
That's a matter of personal perception, I suppose.
Robert_S wrote:It is the direction of his logical errors and his tone that irritate me usually.
Why be irritated? Or rather, why let the irritation become the focus of the interaction? I'm not just talking about your irritation ... it comes up often among a few members in response to Exi5 and others.
Feck wrote:Oh no! iF you want bigoted and stuck in their own opinions about music despite ignorance on the subject then I'm your man there !
I don't know about it being bigotry so much as complete cluelessness combined with unjustified opinionation. And you can hear, presumably, so I don't think you are eligible to attain the self-righteous ignorance necessary to participate in this simile.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. -Daniel Patrick Moynihan
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. -Thomas Jefferson
charlou wrote:I don't know why when one person presents a contentious idea for discussion some people get antagonistic in response.
It's not the idea, its the dishonest style of arguing.
Jinx.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. -Daniel Patrick Moynihan
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. -Thomas Jefferson
Robert_S wrote:It is the direction of his logical errors and his tone that irritate me usually.
I can handle both of those. What irritates me when debaters, either read a post and completely bypass a central point, focusing on some peripheral issue inadvertently included in it, or ignore a post questioning their own assumptions altogether. Examples of the latter: This post and that one. Not a squeak out of Exi5tentialis regarding either. He seems too busy holding forth on his peculiar take of the meaning for "never" and suchlike.
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops. - Stephen J. Gould
Robert_S wrote:It is the direction of his logical errors and his tone that irritate me usually.
Why be irritated? Or rather, why let the irritation become the focus of the interaction? I'm not just talking about your irritation ... it comes up often among a few members in response to Exi5 and others.
Because if he will not respond to sense, there's nothing else to focus on.
This is central to my anti-trolling technique of only answering the first lie or insult. If there is no lie or insult, then they're not a troll.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. -Daniel Patrick Moynihan
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. -Thomas Jefferson
