MrJonno wrote:Coito ergo sum wrote:MattShizzle wrote:College should be completely tax funded.
Other than the fact that college students would love to go for free, why?
Maybe masters degree, law school and PHD programs should be covered too?
And, how about transportation, food, clothing and shelter?
Err you are taking the piss I'm considering doing a PHD and I expect to be PAID by the state never mind paying the state fees. A lot of people moan that the wages (PHD = job where I'm contributing knowledge which may be useful to the state) arent anywhere near high enough but nothing is perfect.
If someone wants to pay you to have a PHD or for someone else to do something else, or nothing, or a prostitute to give blowjobs, I generally don't consider it my business who pays what to whom. Many things can be useful to the state, and the number of opinions about what is good for the state roughly approximate the number of rectums on the planet.
MrJonno wrote:
When I did my 1st degree not only did I pay no fees but I did get a grant for transportation, food clothing and shelt. It wasnt enough unfortunately I left university with about £1000 $1500 in debt which I thought was an awful lot in 1993.
Doesn't sound like too bad a deal for you.
MrJonno wrote:
Alas in the UK we have this shitty libertarian government that is trying to emulate the US but what is cool is you can simply go abroad to the Netherlands where you will get all these things wait for it at the Dutch tax payers expense never mind the UK's for a degree given in English.
If they emulate the US, it won't be libertarianism that they get.
MrJonno wrote:
Basically university education is what being educated to 16 was 50 years ago a basic minimum to function in 90% of jobs these days. Maybe the US still has a bit of a manufacturing base pretty much now if you can't wear a suit and tie and work in an office you are likely to be unemployed for a long time
I actually quite like Coito ergo sum obviously an intelligent guy but its pretty obvious the culture you grow completely shapes your political views. Makes me wonder what I would be like if I had grown up in the US
Oh, I don't know. My political views are, according to that political compass thing that is the subject of a thread, is to the left of center a couple of clicks, and very non-authoritarian. I'm essentially a liberal-libertarian. I don't believe in impotent government, I believe in limited government. I think what you're sensing, however, is my visceral aversion to people demanding free stuff. I don't mind helping people in need, until it's no longer need but "want." I "want" something, and I "want" YOU to pay for it. Pisses me off... especially when the people doing the fucking demanding are young, able-bodied adults - my reaction is - fucking grow up and take care of yourself, douchebag. Don't come to me, another able-bodied adult, albeit not quite so young, and tell me that I have to pay for your shit. And, that's what a pack of idiot college students sound like when they demand free tuition. It's not the disabled looking for a help up, or the poverty stricken looking for a helping hand. It's the perfectly well able, and many from fairly well-to-do families, that are claiming they have a right to a free college education.