Tero wrote:Denialism will not work no matter how many decades you keep repeating it. There are costs. You pay. Give up your addiction to carbon. Pay science folk to innovate.
It's mostly to do with batteries now but other areas will pick up.
Tell you what, let's do it the capitalistic way: Science folks innovate and come up with cheaper, better, more abundant fuel sources than gasoline, diesel, natural gas and coal, without any government subsidies, that also perform to at least the same standards as the existing fuels (ie: I need to get a minimum of 400 miles out of a load of fuel and be able to refuel in 10 minutes or less pretty much anywhere within 200 miles of my present location and I need to be able to haul a minimum of 24,500 pounds gross combined weight at 80 mph on the highway and I need to do it in air-conditioned comfort and safety in a driver's compartment that provides adequate protection from the elements and collisions) and when they meet those requirements, and provided they are cheaper than the current fuel supply, and the buy-in does not require that I junk my present vehicles, which I've already paid for and expect to get at least another 10 years of useful life out of, then, and only then will I consider giving up my "addiction to carbon."
They innovate, they pay for it, they market it and if I like it I buy it...or not. I don't care to finance their speculative proposition that they will be able to come up with something to replace the current fully-mature fuel extraction, processing and delivery systems that will cost me LESS THAN what I have already paid over the decades to mature the current system. I've no interest at all in forcing anyone to junk their massive investment in "carbon" just because some dipshits at the IPCC want me to believe global catastrophe will ensue in my lifetime (or the next three lifetimes) if I don't immediately comply with their terroristic tactics and scaremongering.
Face it, the global "addiction" to carbon isn't going to change or go away in any of our lifetimes, or our kid's lifetimes, or their children's lifetimes, or their children's children's lifetimes because there's simply too much money invested in the existing technology that has to be paid back over time and there's absolutely nothing on the immediate, or indeed the long-term horizon that can replace the global need for fossil fuels at anything other than a global-economy-wrecking financial cost and a social cost that will kill billions of people through starvation, war and disease and that will have us all living in wattle-and-daub huts and grubbing in the ground for roots with a sharp stick...those of us who are left that is.
You need to look realistically at how the world actually operates and understand that what you're asking is simply physically, scientifically and economically impossible and will never happen...unless and until your science folks come up with acceptable substitutes at an acceptable price on an acceptable timeline, which doesn't include any substantial change for at least the next quarter century.
Until then you're farting in a hurricane, nothing more.
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