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Re: Rationalskepticism,lol part III.

Post by Strontium Dog » Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:10 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:
Hermit wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:The thing is, though, that I basically believe Surr has got it right (not from that quote alone, but from knowing SDs history). I totally could believe that SD holds those views.
Well, he was asked to provide evidence justifying his accustations. This is what he came up with, and he turns out to be spectacularly wrong.

SD got caught out big time about his signature, which Surr quoted as: "NEVER WRONG" When Surr mentioned that, SD replied "I will never believe that freedom is ever wrong. I won't apologise for that." then added "What on earth did you, or anyone else, think that "never wrong" referred to if not my belief in liberty?!" Then Scott1328 exposed those replies as big, fat lies by quoting another one of SD's posts, which bears repeating here: "And I thought PZ Myers couldn't sink any lower. Guess I was wrong. Thanks a lot PZ, I'm going to have to change my fucking signature now!". Thank you Scott. ;) Is anybody surprised that SD has not commented on the matter of his signature since?

You keep handwaving in the same manner as Surr. Vague comments like "Surr got it right" and "from knowing SDs history", nothing more from either of you. I won't bother asking you to substantiate your trolling and racism accusations because I already know your reply.
Well it bears repeating: There is context you are totally unaware of. If you can't deal with that, take a fucking pill.


ETA: Scott's example is just one of the very many bits of context which makes up SDs history. Basically lying with absolute ease.
Why must you keep making things up about me?

You singularly fail to support any of your claims which tells it's own story.

It's my policy to not kick a guy when he's down, but if you persist with this utter invention I may not be able to hold back.

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Re: Rationalskepticism,lol part III.

Post by pErvinalia » Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:19 pm

Go for it, Princess. If beatsong would pop in he's more personally acquainted with your idiocies than I am. I could spend all day searching ratskep to find your repugnant, hyperbolic, lies and bigotted remarks, but they have become generalised in my mind, the same as Seth's shit. There's a limit to how much hate and filth I want to actively retain the details of. People like beatsong, ed209 and CB, people who spend 24x7 arguing with you know your shit off by heart. I do hope beatsong pops in to satisfy Hermy who thinks the winter snow wouldn't melt on your arse. And, further, some of your most hyperbolic nonsense and lies have occurred in the feedback forum, which I can no longer access.
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Post by Strontium Dog » Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:33 pm

You seem to have convinced yourself that I am responsible for "hate and filth". That alone marks you out as a wholly unreliable commentator.

Is shit like this really what people have to resort to in order to justify holding a grudge?

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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:38 pm

Yawn. You, Seth and DaveDodo and your ilk seem to be operating under a mistaken assumption that we owe you some kind of inherent respect. We don't. Get used to it.
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Post by Strontium Dog » Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:44 pm

I don't want respect. I've never demanded it. All I ask is that folk stop flinging mud at me without at least attempting to justify it with evidence and rational argument.

So far as I can see, my biggest "crime" has been to provide qualified limited support for a government that aimed to reduce the deficit and the size of the state. This obviously makes me evil incarnate in the eyes of some.

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Re: Rationalskepticism,lol part III.

Post by pErvinalia » Sat Dec 26, 2015 7:38 pm

Bullshit. Your horrendous views have been pointed out and rebutted countless times. And not once was it because you "provide qualified limited support for a government blah blah blah". This is the sort of disingenuous and hyperbolic nonsense you are renowned for. Stop fucking sooking, and put your ideas to the test here. It's about time some people like Hermit and others see the real you and your repugnant views.
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Post by Strontium Dog » Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:50 pm

Once again, utter failure to demonstrate anything repugnant about my views.

I wonder how many times you can make claims about my views without actually mentioning what they are. I'll put the spread at 28-30.

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Post by Hermit » Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:52 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:There's a limit to how much hate and filth I want to actively retain the details of.
So the situation remains unchanged. You and Surr make allegations and keep repeating them without ever bothering to substantiate any. Surr did try once and finished up shooting himself in the foot with that attempt. There was only one solitary hit so far, and that came from Scott. (SD's defence of the quoted post just being a jokey comment doesn't wash, by the way.)
rEvolutionist wrote:Hermy who thinks the winter snow wouldn't melt on your arse.
Please explain how you get from me saying "SD's posting style is too often abrasive and his views reprehensible", a comment I repeated here, to your interpretation of what I think about SD? Care to substantiate your assertion or will you once again not be bothered?

The lack of backing up claims is in fact my focus concerning the discussion about SD. In the light of that your post is a bit ironic, don't you think?
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Post by Seth » Sat Dec 26, 2015 11:29 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:Go for it, Princess. If beatsong would pop in he's more personally acquainted with your idiocies than I am. I could spend all day searching ratskep to find your repugnant, hyperbolic, lies and bigotted remarks, but they have become generalised in my mind, the same as Seth's shit.
That's more of a commentary on the properties of your mind than it is a condemnation of anything anyone says.
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Post by Seth » Sat Dec 26, 2015 11:31 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:Yawn. You, Seth and DaveDodo and your ilk seem to be operating under a mistaken assumption that we owe you some kind of inherent respect. We don't. Get used to it.
Right back atcha. Oh, and do you still have a ferret in your pocket or are you suffering from a monarch complex, because it's just YOU cupcake.
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Post by Seth » Sat Dec 26, 2015 11:44 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:I don't want respect. I've never demanded it. All I ask is that folk stop flinging mud at me without at least attempting to justify it with evidence and rational argument.

So far as I can see, my biggest "crime" has been to provide qualified limited support for a government that aimed to reduce the deficit and the size of the state. This obviously makes me evil incarnate in the eyes of some.
Well, yeah, of course. It makes you the arch-enemy of all Marxist socialists and progressives because an overwhelming, all-encompassing, all-powerful state is their ultimate goal in life and ideology. I'd have thought you'd have figured that out by now.

And they have no evidence with which to support their stupid political and social ideology and they know it, which is why all those socialist monkeys can do is to fling poo at the glass.

I have yet to see a single socialist actually address any of the many points of failure I've brought up with respect to socialism with any sort of rigor or thought. The closest anyone comes is when they try to excuse the failings of socialism by using capitalism as their argument, as in the case where they point to some socialist country like Sweden, which provides lots of goodies from the public treasury to its residents, as a socialist success. It ain't.

If Sweden actually abided by its Marxist/socialist principles its people would be as poor as those of rural Russia or Cuba, or Venezuela. You see, Sweden's socialist system relies for it's OPM on the existence of a much larger and wealthier capitalist economy to which they can sell their abundant natural resources at a profit. In doing so, Sweden has become what Marx called for the destruction of; it has become the bourgeoisie merchant class that uses capitalism to fund Marxism. This is the "mixed economy" crap that is used as an excuse for justifying socialism.

But it still only works if two things are present: Natural resources that can be exploited (usually by slave labor) and a capitalist economy to sell them to. When one or the other is missing, there's nothing with which to fund the welfare state.

That's why Communist Cuba and Venezuela are in ruins and their people are hungry and have dirty asses. Capitalism turned its back on both after the Communists seized their property and "nationalized" it without compensating them for the theft. And without capitalists who are willing to invest their capital in those countries, even the basic necessities of life are in short supply. And even as we speak, Obama is sucking Castro's cock and Castro is petting him on his head promising that no, Cuba will never seize capitalist investment assets in Cuba again if only President Slurper will lift the embargo, which he's doing...and which I sincerely hope will be re-imposed ten seconds after Obama leaves office.

So, "democratic socialism" is actually neither democratic nor socialist, it's just kleptocratic capitalism that will quickly die when capitalist OPM is withdrawn.
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Re: Rationalskepticism,lol part III.

Post by Seth » Sat Dec 26, 2015 11:47 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:Bullshit. Your horrendous views have been pointed out and rebutted countless times.
The only thing you've ever re-butted is your head when you shove it up your ass again.
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Re: Rationalskepticism,lol part III.

Post by Seth » Sat Dec 26, 2015 11:48 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:Once again, utter failure to demonstrate anything repugnant about my views.

I wonder how many times you can make claims about my views without actually mentioning what they are. I'll put the spread at 28-30.
rEv's statistical record of failing to rationally address any claim he objects to and substituting personal attacks is one-hundred percent. You shouldn't expect anything else from him because he's simply incapable of making a rational argument. Like any monkey in the zoo, all he can do is throw poo in impotent fury at what disturbs his Wa.

The Christmas season is being really tough on him I guess, because he's being far more irrational than usual.

Hey rEv, time to take a pill and relax. Have some more eggnog.
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Re: Rationalskepticism,lol part III.

Post by Doubtdispelled » Sun Dec 27, 2015 12:03 am

What a fascinating discussion. I'm so glad I dropped by to see if Rationalia was any more lively than Ratskep.

It's reminded me of this post in the thread about the Rochdale grooming trial.

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Post by Seth » Sun Dec 27, 2015 12:14 am

Doubtdispelled wrote:What a fascinating discussion. I'm so glad I dropped by to see if Rationalia was any more lively than Ratskep.

It's reminded me of this post in the thread about the Rochdale grooming trial.

:tut:
How so?
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