Arguing with a fundie - resource needed

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Arguing with a fundie - resource needed

Post by cowiz » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:02 pm

I made the claim, from memory that the early Christians debated over the divinity of Jebus - i.e. not all agreed that he was the son of the big fella in the sky. This was something I had recalled from the back of my mind, and I vaguely remember watching a documentary about it.

And fairly the fucker has asked me to support my claim :lay:

Google returns mostly apologetics sites and a couple of Wiki articles which do not help.

Does anyone have any knowledge of this subject and point me to references that will show I was not talking out of my ass (which of course I was).

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Re: Arguing with a fundie - resource needed

Post by Robert_S » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:04 pm

Thomas doubted the divinity of Jesus.
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Re: Arguing with a fundie - resource needed

Post by cowiz » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:05 pm

Robert_S wrote:Thomas doubted the divinity of Jesus.
True. But I am looking for some historical support that the early Xian movement debated the divinity issue.
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Post by devogue » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:06 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinity_of_Christ
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Re: Arguing with a fundie - resource needed

Post by Pappa » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:07 pm

They debated whether he was a man, a god or a bit of both. It was a huge thing in the early church and had an effect on which books were included in the Bible and which weren't. There was a C4 or BBC documentary about it a couple of years ago, but I forget what it was called.
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Post by devogue » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:08 pm

Pappa wrote:They debated whether he was a man, a god or a bit of both. It was a huge thing in the early church and had an effect on which books were included in the Bible and which weren't. There was a C4 or BBC documentary about it a couple of years ago, but I forget what it was called.
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Post by AshtonBlack » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:08 pm

http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/heresies.html

Some on there worth further research.

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Post by egbert » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:09 pm

FAITH! If it's good enough for the Fundies. why can't they accpt it as good enough for YOUR argument?
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Re: Arguing with a fundie - resource needed

Post by Feck » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:09 pm

Gnosticism is that what you mean ? just google it .
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Post by cowiz » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:10 pm

Feck wrote:Gnosticism is that what you mean ? just google it .
I was looking at the Gnostics, no help there.
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Post by AshtonBlack » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:11 pm

Another one...

http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/bible/heresies.stm


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Post by devogue » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:11 pm

pawiz wrote:
Feck wrote:Gnosticism is that what you mean ? just google it .
I was looking at the Gnostics, no help there.
What about gnocci then? :food:
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Post by cowiz » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:20 pm

AshtonBlack wrote:Another one...

http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/bible/heresies.stm


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I'll run with that thanks
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Re: Arguing with a fundie - resource needed

Post by AshtonBlack » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:48 pm

Let us know how you get on.

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Re: Arguing with a fundie - resource needed

Post by cowiz » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:51 pm

AshtonBlack wrote:Let us know how you get on.
As usual he has not responded and changed the subject.
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