Yeah, a lot of shorthand in the earlier thread, which is why I didn't look to hard for it. Pre-coffee I don't even "aim".cogwheel wrote:Thanks. Didn't come up in any of the searches I tried.Gawdzilla wrote:Merged with existing thread on intelligence squared. (We have another one on the prior debate but it's way too early for that shit.)
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2 rows in front of me the entire row was some kind of congregation that came in a big bus and voted as a block for the motion. One of them asked the question when Dawkins was in church last. It was very interesting to see that row, every sentence coming from Dawkins' mouth just fueled their hate. By the time the box came to our row to put you could see throughtthe slot however that besides that row pretty much all voted against.
We went there with a delegation of Atheistforums.org, where all administrators met for the first time in real life.
The debate was loads of fun, great humour being displayed from both sides.
Moore was a 12 minute argument from authority with a few ad-hominems and a Godwin's law thrown in for good measure. There was absolutely nothing in his statement that made a valid argument for the motion.
Harries was completely out of his league and chose a strategy that was doomed to fail.
Dawkins did what he had to do, refute the "arguments" made and kept it at that.
To me A.C. Grayling was by far the best speaker of the evening. Very clear, very concise. I loved his demeanor en methodological approach when presenting his answers and rebuttal.
We went there with a delegation of Atheistforums.org, where all administrators met for the first time in real life.
The debate was loads of fun, great humour being displayed from both sides.
Moore was a 12 minute argument from authority with a few ad-hominems and a Godwin's law thrown in for good measure. There was absolutely nothing in his statement that made a valid argument for the motion.
Harries was completely out of his league and chose a strategy that was doomed to fail.
Dawkins did what he had to do, refute the "arguments" made and kept it at that.
To me A.C. Grayling was by far the best speaker of the evening. Very clear, very concise. I loved his demeanor en methodological approach when presenting his answers and rebuttal.
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Grayling was cool. First time I've even heard of him. 

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Me neither. He lectures at the university of London and that was about all I knew about him at the time I went to the debate.
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Ta-dah!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcejqjCj ... playnext=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JlxHAOP ... 67&index=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdGdBE1y ... 67&index=2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ageqq4Te ... 67&index=3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctyE4Hxw ... 67&index=4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIBxUgp4 ... 67&index=5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERwPc5iF ... 67&index=6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHrf1aLa ... 67&index=7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTKUHOWv ... 67&index=8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwC7GZqm ... 67&index=9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcejqjCj ... playnext=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JlxHAOP ... 67&index=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdGdBE1y ... 67&index=2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ageqq4Te ... 67&index=3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctyE4Hxw ... 67&index=4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIBxUgp4 ... 67&index=5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERwPc5iF ... 67&index=6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHrf1aLa ... 67&index=7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTKUHOWv ... 67&index=8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwC7GZqm ... 67&index=9
Re: Live Online Intelligence Squared debate with RD
Cheers. Finally got to hear Grayling's closing which I missed at the time after my internet stalled. A large degree of ownage there.
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Re: Live Online Intelligence Squared debate with RD
You can now download the entire thing in one go from here, as long as you have a media download add-on installed in Firefox (or whatever):
http://www.intelligencesquared.com/iq2- ... amentalism
Be advised though that it is 602 MB in size ...
EDIT: Fuck! My download is complete already. I started it, made this post, and no sooner did I submit it than the download was finished. 7 MB/second.
640 x 360 widescreen ... looks nice.
http://www.intelligencesquared.com/iq2- ... amentalism
Be advised though that it is 602 MB in size ...
EDIT: Fuck! My download is complete already. I started it, made this post, and no sooner did I submit it than the download was finished. 7 MB/second.

640 x 360 widescreen ... looks nice.

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"Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings"
Brilliant from Dawkins
Brilliant from Dawkins
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What do you use to download, please?klr wrote:You can now download the entire thing in one go from here, as long as you have a media download add-on installed in Firefox (or whatever):
http://www.intelligencesquared.com/iq2- ... amentalism
Be advised though that it is 602 MB in size ...
EDIT: Fuck! My download is complete already. I started it, made this post, and no sooner did I submit it than the download was finished. 7 MB/second.
640 x 360 widescreen ... looks nice.
Re: Live Online Intelligence Squared debate with RD
One of these.Gawdzilla wrote:What do you use to download, please?klr wrote:You can now download the entire thing in one go from here, as long as you have a media download add-on installed in Firefox (or whatever):
http://www.intelligencesquared.com/iq2- ... amentalism
Be advised though that it is 602 MB in size ...
EDIT: Fuck! My download is complete already. I started it, made this post, and no sooner did I submit it than the download was finished. 7 MB/second.
640 x 360 widescreen ... looks nice.

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That was informative.
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What's with the cross-gendered talk in this thread - speaking of Dawkins and Grayling as females...? 

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