All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Cunt » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:55 am

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The consensus among climate scientists is solid, and it goes like this:

1. Increasing CO2 levels, via humans burning increasing amounts of fossil fuels are causing increased average global temperatures by a very well established mechanism.

2. As we continue to add more CO2 to the atmosphere, the warming effect will steadily increase. A variety of models are used, they all show the same thing.

3. The effects of warming will be deleterious in a variety of ways to both human civilisation and the global ecosystem.

It is straightforward science, no conspiracy theories needed. If you find certain people like Gore hypocritical because their actions do not match their rhetoric, this adds nothing to any debate about global warming.
I understand that you are convinced, and believe that you feel exactly as you describe.

My guess is that you have looked carefully into it, and have an informed opinion.

None of this suggests to me that a new tax on an element will help in any way.

Nor does it suggest that any of this is as predictable as the 'consensus' seems to suggest. As I said before, climate change was described well forty years ago, as inevitable, by Isaac Asimov (not a climate scientist). He seemed to think that we needed to be ready for climate change no matter what we do.
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But CO2 is invisible! Anyone can see that!
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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:28 am

Taxation obviously works, as the more you tax something the less of it will be consumed.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by JimC » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:01 am

To change to a higher proportion of renewables (particularly for electricity production), we need a combination of market forces and government action. Already, as more renewable technology is produced, the unit price goes down, making it a better long-term bet for investors - that's the market side. To make the change faster, governments can use a combination of the carrot and the stick. The stick could be some form of tax on CO2 production, the carrot could be reducing a variety of taxes on renewables, via tax credits or whatever. It ain't rocket science...
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Post by Cunt » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:54 am

How is that working out in Germany? I know France taxed their citizens into revolt. I also know that there is a lot of trouble storing power from wind or solar, for some technical reasons.

The government getting involved, massaging the market with carrots and sticks doesn't give me a confident feel. Aren't these the guys who wrote (then stuck to) the 'food pyramid'?

You can be as convinced as you wish. I've heard much of the same pitches you have. I'm not convinced yet, that the scientific consensus is that taxes and government intervention will be the best way through.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:59 am

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I don't credit it as being his tweet yet though. If I cared, I would go into twitter, see if it really did look like his tweet (would you believe, there are lots of fakes?) ...
You could easily verify the Twitter post for yourself, but it seems you prefer ignorance as it allows you dismiss it as a probable fake. Why is that do you think?
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:03 am

JimC wrote:
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Cunt wrote:
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JimC wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:46 pm

So, no comment about Trump's actual tweet?

Your head is deep in the sand when it comes to looking objectively at the words and actions of Trump.
It looked like he made a spelling error, or autocorrect fucked him (as it does all of us, on occasion)

I don't credit it as being his tweet yet though. If I cared, I would go into twitter, see if it really did look like his tweet (would you believe, there are lots of fakes?)

Why is it a big deal again? Because he doesn't kowtow to the 'Global Warming Congregation'? I'm not surprised. With mainstream media pushing so much bullshit, I don't mind if anyone dismisses whatever they might be pushing.

I have been pretty cold this winter, too. Maybe it's climate change, pushing back global warming...

Or maybe either phrase is a bullshit shortcut to talk about complicated matters.
Using "ah gee, it's so cold right now" as an argument against climate change is mindless garbage. What it requires is good data over a long period of time, and the statistical expertise to analyse it...
No no no Jim. A single weather event in a single location is indicative of an entire global trend. Get with the program!
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Cunt » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:04 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
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Cunt wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:33 pm
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I don't credit it as being his tweet yet though. If I cared, I would go into twitter, see if it really did look like his tweet (would you believe, there are lots of fakes?) ...
You could easily verify the Twitter post for yourself, but it seems you prefer ignorance as it allows you dismiss it as a probable fake. Why is that do you think?
Horseshit, I just don't happen to be in the church of global warming, so I'm not as offended by someone speaking heresy. Whether he did or not doesn't matter to me, because if he did say that, it looks like a joke, and a jab at the church folk.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:11 am

Regardless of what you think global warming is not a matter of ideology or belief. It's simply a matter of atmospheric chemistry, the available data, and scientific consensus.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:13 am

-- So why are you reluctant to verify Trump's tweet is not a fake if you basically believe what he is reported to have posted?
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by pErvinalia » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:21 am


Cunt wrote:How is that working out in Germany?


Germany has just announced it's phasing out all coal and nuclear.
You can be as convinced as you wish. I've heard much of the same pitches you have. I'm not convinced yet, that the scientific consensus is that taxes and government intervention will be the best way through.
How else do you imagine it working? Not the fucking free market, I hope.



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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by JimC » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:24 am

pErvinalia wrote:
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Cunt wrote:How is that working out in Germany?


Germany has just announced it's phasing out all coal and nuclear.
You can be as convinced as you wish. I've heard much of the same pitches you have. I'm not convinced yet, that the scientific consensus is that taxes and government intervention will be the best way through.
How else do you imagine it working? Not the fucking free market, I hope.
Actually, I think market forces have a role to play. Renewable energy is becoming both more popular and cheaper, and many large corporations are putting money in for purely commercial reasons.

Having said that, government also has a huge role to play...
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Seabass » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:14 pm

Does Trump associate with anyone who isn't a con artist?

DONALD TRUMP'S SPIRITUAL ADVISER PAULA WHITE SUGGESTS PEOPLE SEND HER THEIR JANUARY SALARY OR FACE CONSEQUENCES FROM GOD
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Tero » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:27 pm

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Tero » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:08 pm

AMERICAN VOICES
Roger Stone Open To Cooperating With Mueller
After a dramatic pre-dawn arrest by the FBI, political consultant Roger Stone indicated that he is open to cooperating with Robert Mueller in the ongoing probe of the Trump campaign. What do you think?

“That’s super nice of him.”
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“It’s disgusting to see so little loyalty from all the people Trump has publicly belittled and distanced himself from.

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