You're missing my point entirely. It wasn't about whether the scumbag deserved what he got. It's about authorities abusing their powers.tattuchu wrote:
Scumbag got what scumbag deserved. But of course I suspected as well that it was a hoax just from the way it sounded.
Yes, but while the incident really happened,that last bit about the Marines beating the shit out of him was a fiction. A pretty obvious fiction. And even if it wasn't, that doesn't mean we can't laugh at the inherent humor of the situation, and the way the article was written.Crumple wrote:It's a self-deceit to believe a world of vigilantes will a be a better place. These marines should have been charged with assault and being a disgrace to their uniform they should have been thrown out of the army. It begins with simple tit-for-tats but builds into vendettas, gang warfare and organised crime taking power away from the responsible forces of law & order. I've relatives in the police, the law isn't served by vigilantes....this is the road to anarchy and a less civlized society.
They are looking out for us by beating the shit out of the scumbag.Animavore wrote:You're missing my point entirely. It wasn't about whether the scumbag deserved what he got. It's about authorities abusing their powers.tattuchu wrote:
Scumbag got what scumbag deserved. But of course I suspected as well that it was a hoax just from the way it sounded.
These are the people supposed to be looking after us. If we can't trust them then who?
No. The authorities are supposed to look out for us by arresting people and taking them through the proper channels.tattuchu wrote: They are looking out for us by beating the shit out of the scumbag.
Anyway, you're taking things far too seriously. The article as written, hoax or not, was funny. And it's impossible not to feel like the scumbag got what he deserved, abuse of power or no, in this frustratingly litigious era of let-the-criminal-go-and-do-nothing-lest-he-sue-you.
I just thought the article was funny because of the way it was written. It was easy to laugh at, too, it because it seemed like an obvious fiction. Even if it were real, all of it were real, I think I'd still laugh at it because it's just a story to me, a funny story. That doesn't mean I really want Marines to act like that, or especially police to cover things up like that. It's just a funny story, and one that appeals to my sense of justice.Animavore wrote:No. The authorities are supposed to look out for us by arresting people and taking them through the proper channels.tattuchu wrote: They are looking out for us by beating the shit out of the scumbag.
Anyway, you're taking things far too seriously. The article as written, hoax or not, was funny. And it's impossible not to feel like the scumbag got what he deserved, abuse of power or no, in this frustratingly litigious era of let-the-criminal-go-and-do-nothing-lest-he-sue-you.
Seriously - I don't get the Rambo attitude of America at all.
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IDMD2Cormac wrote:Doom predictors have been with humans right through our history. They are like the proverbial stopped clock - right twice a day, but not due to the efficacy of their prescience.
We don't know the precise order of events. A court marshal would be required in my opinion if they used excessive means to disarm this guy. It is the kind of behaviour that can lead to warcrimes in a military situation involving civilians.Mysturji wrote:Assuming this was real (which it apparently wasn't)...
You and your friends are going about your business, when some dickhead comes out of nowhere and stabs one of your mates.
What would you (and your other mates) do?
We don't use excessive force. We don't break several bones just because we can. If our friend is badly injured we help him and let the assailant go. If not then perhaps two of us could restrain him while the last renders first aid.Mysturji wrote:Assuming this was real (which it apparently wasn't)...
You and your friends are going about your business, when some dickhead comes out of nowhere and stabs one of your mates.
What would you (and your other mates) do?
Knocking a drink over compared to a stabbing... Great analogy.Adenosine wrote:We don't use excessive force. We don't break several bones just because we can. If our friend is badly injured we help him and let the assailant go. If not then perhaps two of us could restrain him while the last renders first aid.Mysturji wrote:Assuming this was real (which it apparently wasn't)...
You and your friends are going about your business, when some dickhead comes out of nowhere and stabs one of your mates.
What would you (and your other mates) do?
How many bones would you break if someone knocks your drink over in a club? How about if someone steals your park?
Sir Figg Newton wrote:If I have seen further than others, it is only because I am surrounded by midgets.
IDMD2Cormac wrote:Doom predictors have been with humans right through our history. They are like the proverbial stopped clock - right twice a day, but not due to the efficacy of their prescience.
Abusing which powers? The powers to stop a thief? And the marines didn't have any more powers than a common citizen anyway, due to posse commitatus.Animavore wrote:You're missing my point entirely. It wasn't about whether the scumbag deserved what he got. It's about authorities abusing their powers.tattuchu wrote:
Scumbag got what scumbag deserved. But of course I suspected as well that it was a hoax just from the way it sounded.
These are the people supposed to be looking after us. If we can't trust them then who?
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I'm not talking about the marines. I'm talking about the cops who, if the story is to be believed, turned a blind eye.Gawdzilla wrote:Abusing which powers? The powers to stop a thief? And the marines didn't have any more powers than a common citizen anyway, due to posse commitatus.Animavore wrote:You're missing my point entirely. It wasn't about whether the scumbag deserved what he got. It's about authorities abusing their powers.tattuchu wrote:
Scumbag got what scumbag deserved. But of course I suspected as well that it was a hoax just from the way it sounded.
These are the people supposed to be looking after us. If we can't trust them then who?
It's more fun that way.charlou wrote:It doesn't take grievous bodily harm to stop a thief.
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”
Got that from a four paragraph report did you?Animavore wrote:I'm not talking about the marines. I'm talking about the cops who, if the story is to be believed, turned a blind eye.Gawdzilla wrote:Abusing which powers? The powers to stop a thief? And the marines didn't have any more powers than a common citizen anyway, due to posse commitatus.Animavore wrote:You're missing my point entirely. It wasn't about whether the scumbag deserved what he got. It's about authorities abusing their powers.tattuchu wrote:
Scumbag got what scumbag deserved. But of course I suspected as well that it was a hoax just from the way it sounded.
These are the people supposed to be looking after us. If we can't trust them then who?
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”
The GBH aspect and cover up is a hypothetical scenario.Gawdzilla wrote:Got that from a four paragraph report did you?Animavore wrote:I'm not talking about the marines. I'm talking about the cops who, if the story is to be believed, turned a blind eye.Gawdzilla wrote:Abusing which powers? The powers to stop a thief? And the marines didn't have any more powers than a common citizen anyway, due to posse commitatus.Animavore wrote:You're missing my point entirely. It wasn't about whether the scumbag deserved what he got. It's about authorities abusing their powers.tattuchu wrote:
Scumbag got what scumbag deserved. But of course I suspected as well that it was a hoax just from the way it sounded.
These are the people supposed to be looking after us. If we can't trust them then who?
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