The Atheism Plus "movement" -- good, bad, ugly?

[Bella Fortuna]

Female here! Just don't like debating.

Chill Girl

Can I be a Chili Girl?

[Robert_S]

Female here! Just don't like debating.

Chill Girl

Can I be a Chili Girl?

Are you asking permission to get yer pretty little bottom into the kitchen?

[Bella Fortuna]

Female here! Just don't like debating.

Chill Girl

Can I be a Chili Girl?

Are you asking permission to get yer pretty little bottom into the kitchen?

I've kicked my shoes off already.

[Robert_S]

Female here! Just don't like debating.

Chill Girl

Can I be a Chili Girl?

Are you asking permission to get yer pretty little bottom into the kitchen?

I've kicked my shoes off already.

Wait a second... What is "chilli" a euphemism for?

[Bella Fortuna]

That... would require a trigger alert.

[Robert_S]

[Bella Fortuna]

Just like a girl.

[Robert_S]

Just like a girl.

Oh No!!!!

She's gonna bring out the Mansplainer™ again!

[Badger3k]

Just like a girl.

Oh No!!!!

She's gonna bring out the Mansplainer™ again!

Is it the leather mansplainer, or the wooden one? Or...the plastic inflatable one? (sorry, no smileys on this thing that I can find)

ETA - whoa - posted and saw my abbrev made into the smiley. Kewl.
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[Bella Fortuna]

I'm in the process of copyrighting the Mansplaner™, the great new way to get slim! Just shave off the pounds!

[Audley Strange]

Isn't Mance Planer that guy in game ov frones?

[Bella Fortuna]

Isn't Mance Planer that guy in game ov frones?

Drones...

[hadespussercats]

Women are still paid less than men. Women have less political power and are less represented in senior positions. They have a worse deal on the whole than men in many respects - certainly financially, so there is still some ways to go. Which is not to say there hasn't been a great deal of progress. Not to mention the position of women in much of the rest of the world.

I should stop speaking on behalf of the girls though.

Well I've pointed out the problems with regards to women in political positions, even given quota's and invitations and practically begging them to get involved, from all major parties in the U.K. The interest does not appear to be there. Perhaps it's the imagined hostile atmosphere that is commonly projected. Perhaps what we need is to do what they do in the olympics though and separate the sexes in such competitive atmospheres. We could have women's government, which women pay their taxes to and we could have men's government. Woman's finance capitalism and men's finance capitalism. Or perhaps the interest is not there. Anyway why do women need to be represented in senior positions exactly? If it is a private company surely you can't be saying we should be forcing them to hire women for positions that they might find a man better for?

I am beginning to have some sympathy with the conceptual model of privilege...

The simple fact is that men still have more power. Perhaps women don't want it, but we don't really know that do we?

No clearly some women do want power, clearly. We have had women in positions of power all over the globe, historically to the extent we cannot dismiss it as trivial. However those women have not somehow encouraged that to spread across the community of women. Even if they were 100% accurate in saying that politics was an "old boys" culture where women were treated like shit, how the fuck is that going to attract more women in. It's like trying to appeal to homophobes to go to a club by saying look "it's a gay disco and it's pretty hardcore mental, you're likely to get ruffied and spitroasted for a youtube video, where are you going???"

So clearly those women in power were not and are not saying that. So yes the simple fact is that, in some areas of the public and private establishment, men outnumber women. We know that both women in power and men in power have been attempting since the mid eighties to woo more women into politics and it has not happened. I do not think they are being discouraged by men or powerful women (other than perhaps a general revulsion at politics) and I don't think there is a perception that it is a male culture (if you watch BBC parliament, there's not parity but there are a fair number of women in government and in parliament).

So if it is not disinterest that is stopping them, what could it be Rum?

More women are entering and succeeding in politics here in the States. Only 17% of the congress are women (acc. to Kirsten Gillibrand, the other night on the Daily Show), so if we're looking for something approaching equal representation, there's a long way to go. But it is happening.

The main issues facing women entering politics here (as I understand it) are whether they can raise the funds to support a winning campaign, and whether they can win respect for their stances on certain social and foreign policy issues (which, I think, might be why gun-happy conservatives like Palin and the other "Grizzly Moms" seem to capture the spotlight-- if not the win.)

I don't know. I was reading you two discussing the Woman Problem and I thought is might be useful to point out that women are in fact moving ahead, here and there, even in the big bad world of politics.

[hadespussercats]

I've always thought one way to show men and women are equal in the states at least is to require both men and women to sign up for the draft when they turn 18.

Better yet, have neither of them sign!

[hadespussercats]

I'm in the process of copyrighting the Mansplaner™, the great new way to get slim! Just shave off the pounds!

For once, a diet gadget geared at men. :twisted:

uh... do you know when the wimynsplaner is coming out?