The "Sanity" Rally. Is Jon Stewart naive?

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Re: The "Sanity" Rally. Is Jon Stewart naive?

Post by Ian » Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:31 am

The Mad Hatter wrote:I could be a goddamn vegetable and I'd still be one up from you old man.
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Sandinista can't help but act like Mr. Grumpy Pants around here, huh? I had a great time at the rally, not really thinking about any political opinions in particular, as did a quarter million other people, and he's determined to moan and groan about how it must've really been something else. Totally incapable of talking off his angry cynics hat.

Well, Sandy, the fact remains that you weren't there. I'm trying to picture you on the Mall, the lone frowning angry grump surrounded by a quarter million people enjoying themselves, whining about how this is all a farce and how we're all just naive star worshippers, lesser beings compared to your keen political insight.

Silly bugger. Stop being a curmudgeon just for once you angry hermit.

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Re: The "Sanity" Rally. Is Jon Stewart naive?

Post by sandinista » Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:33 am

I can't believe you don't know the answer. Never heard of neo liberalism? A genius like yourself? A man who knows international law inside and out, who knows the political structure, nuances, and struggles of every single country on earth. Come on...now you're just pulling me leg.
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Post by sandinista » Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:34 am

Ian wrote:
The Mad Hatter wrote:I could be a goddamn vegetable and I'd still be one up from you old man.
:clap:
Sandinista can't help but act like Mr. Grumpy Pants around here, huh? I had a great time at the rally, not really thinking about any political opinions in particular, as did a quarter million other people, and he's determined to moan and groan about how it must've really been something else. Totally incapable of talking off his angry cynics hat.

Well, Sandy, the fact remains that you weren't there. I'm trying to picture you on the Mall, the lone frowning angry grump surrounded by a quarter million people enjoying themselves, whining about how this is all a farce and how we're all just naive star worshippers, lesser beings compared to your keen political insight.

Silly bugger. Stop being a curmudgeon just for once you angry hermit.
:funny: 4982 posts and I"M the hermit.
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Re: The "Sanity" Rally. Is Jon Stewart naive?

Post by Ian » Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:38 am

sandinista wrote:
Ian wrote:
The Mad Hatter wrote:I could be a goddamn vegetable and I'd still be one up from you old man.
:clap:
Sandinista can't help but act like Mr. Grumpy Pants around here, huh? I had a great time at the rally, not really thinking about any political opinions in particular, as did a quarter million other people, and he's determined to moan and groan about how it must've really been something else. Totally incapable of talking off his angry cynics hat.

Well, Sandy, the fact remains that you weren't there. I'm trying to picture you on the Mall, the lone frowning angry grump surrounded by a quarter million people enjoying themselves, whining about how this is all a farce and how we're all just naive star worshippers, lesser beings compared to your keen political insight.

Silly bugger. Stop being a curmudgeon just for once you angry hermit.
:funny: 4982 posts and I"M the hermit.
Wanna get into a hermit match? Okay, I have a wife and three kids and a full-time job in a major city. Whaddya you got? Maybe some of the same, but you also have a miserable attitude towards life and pretty much everyone on this forum.

You're 37, right? With your attitude, I'm trying to picture you as an old man. I shudder to think.

Yeah, you're the angriest grump on this forum by a long shot. Trying to spoil the memory of my weekend by insulting the whole thing and me when you weren't even there. What rudeness.

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Post by Trolldor » Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:40 am

Oi, fuck off. I'm supposed to be the grumpiest one.
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Post by Robert_S » Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:48 am

Methinks the smart people on the forum don't spend much time arguing politics. I'm trying to get that level of smarts but progress is slow.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: The "Sanity" Rally. Is Jon Stewart naive?

Post by sandinista » Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:49 am

Ian wrote:
sandinista wrote:
Ian wrote:
The Mad Hatter wrote:I could be a goddamn vegetable and I'd still be one up from you old man.
:clap:
Sandinista can't help but act like Mr. Grumpy Pants around here, huh? I had a great time at the rally, not really thinking about any political opinions in particular, as did a quarter million other people, and he's determined to moan and groan about how it must've really been something else. Totally incapable of talking off his angry cynics hat.

Well, Sandy, the fact remains that you weren't there. I'm trying to picture you on the Mall, the lone frowning angry grump surrounded by a quarter million people enjoying themselves, whining about how this is all a farce and how we're all just naive star worshippers, lesser beings compared to your keen political insight.

Silly bugger. Stop being a curmudgeon just for once you angry hermit.
:funny: 4982 posts and I"M the hermit.
Wanna get into a hermit match? Okay, I have a wife and three kids and a full-time job in a major city. Whaddya you got? Maybe some of the same, but you also have a miserable attitude towards life and pretty much everyone on this forum.

You're 37, right? With your attitude, I'm trying to picture you as an old man. I shudder to think.

Yeah, you're the angriest grump on this forum by a long shot. Trying to spoil the memory of my weekend by insulting the whole thing and me when you weren't even there. What rudeness.
Spoil your memory??? You have to be joking...why the fuck would you give a shit what I have to say?
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Re: The "Sanity" Rally. Is Jon Stewart naive?

Post by sandinista » Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:50 am

Robert_S wrote:Methinks the smart people on the forum don't spend much time arguing politics. I'm trying to get that level of smarts but progress is slow.
so, enlighten me...what do the "smart" people do?
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Re: The "Sanity" Rally. Is Jon Stewart naive?

Post by Ian » Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:52 am

sandinista wrote:Spoil your memory??? You have to be joking...why the fuck would you give a shit what I have to say?
I don't. So, why bother staying on my case and being such a cynic about the whole thing?
What I'm saying is, you've got some real attitude problems.

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Post by Ian » Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:53 am

Robert_S wrote:Methinks the smart people on the forum don't spend much time arguing politics. I'm trying to get that level of smarts but progress is slow.
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Robert's right. I keep vowing to myself not to get tangled up in the wankery of it all, but I keep breaking my vow as well.

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Post by Robert_S » Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:56 am

sandinista wrote:
Robert_S wrote:Methinks the smart people on the forum don't spend much time arguing politics. I'm trying to get that level of smarts but progress is slow.
so, enlighten me...what do the "smart" people do?
  I'm gonna wait for a smart person to pass by and ask them  
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Post by Mahou » Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:17 am

sandinista wrote:
Robert_S wrote:Methinks the smart people on the forum don't spend much time arguing politics. I'm trying to get that level of smarts but progress is slow.
so, enlighten me...what do the "smart" people do?
Attend large rallies.
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Post by sandinista » Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:56 am

Mahou wrote:
sandinista wrote:
Robert_S wrote:Methinks the smart people on the forum don't spend much time arguing politics. I'm trying to get that level of smarts but progress is slow.
so, enlighten me...what do the "smart" people do?
Attend large rallies.
Now thats a laugher. OK, there are large rallies in support of...well...islam, neo nazis, anit-abortionists, christians, and on and on...not so smart.
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Re: The "Sanity" Rally. Is Jon Stewart naive?

Post by Robert_S » Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:59 am

sandinista wrote:
Mahou wrote:
sandinista wrote:
Robert_S wrote:Methinks the smart people on the forum don't spend much time arguing politics. I'm trying to get that level of smarts but progress is slow.
so, enlighten me...what do the "smart" people do?
Attend large rallies.
Now thats a laugher. OK, there are large rallies in support of...well...islam, neo nazis, anit-abortionists, christians, and on and on...not so smart.
Damn Sandi.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Post by JOZeldenrust » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:35 am

sandinista wrote:
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Coito ergo sum wrote:Well, you were there. I can only go by the images I've seen. Many of the images were "tendentious" and insulting. But, I certainly will believe you when you say you experienced nonpartisan good fun. I'm glad it was a good time!

I don't like those mock-socialism signs, like the one above. I mean "trick or treaters are socialists?" That's like saying it's socialist to give Christmas presents, and very similar to the jokes that get emailed around endlessly proving that socialism is good because we have fire departments and public libraries. Trick or treating, libraries, fire departments, etc., are not socialism - they're gift-giving and government services. Socialism doesn't mean "free" or "government services." It means state control of the means of production and common ownership of property.
You don't see any ironic humor in those signs, just insults? They are meant to be humorous...unlike the Teabaggers that actually believe the stuff they put on their signs is the god's truth.

I see a huge difference between being ironic, mocking, and humorous versus actually threatening to exercise my 2nd amendment rights, bringing a gun to a rally, and calling Obama a Nazi...among other things you would find at a Tea Party protest, or on a Tea Party sign. Contrast Tea Party signs with the signs from this rally. Just the intelligence alone (in correct spelling and grammar) shines like a beacon. :hehe: You don't see a difference? Say what you like, but the crazed, seriousness and anger that characterize most Tea Party protests and their signs is just scary, not to mention embarrassing when they misspell everything. :mrgreen:

Jon Stewart's message was a simple and direct one - we need to LIGHTEN UP.

People take themselves way too seriously...on both sides, left, and right. Just on this forum alone we have a living example. Some people here can get pretty nasty, mean, and hurl ad homs at each other just over political disagreements... There are times we could use a mini rally to restore sanity on some of our political threads here. Bring on the music! The movie and musical stars! Have a good time, share community with people who share the same vision for rational, reasonable discourse, between each other, and in the media. What's wrong with that?

The Rally to Restore sanity benefitted Ian, his wife and the quarter million people who were at the mall on Saturday, not to mention the millions of people like me who were watching it on TV. Not only that, there were sister rallies, across the US and all over the world. A statement and a message that people the world around related to. That seems like it was a good purpose, and was served well.

Otherwise, for those who choose to just criticize it, why do you even care? :dono:
I care because Stewart is perpetuating the myth of neo-liberalism not being an ideology. He billed his rally as being "for people who are politically dissatisfied but who are not ideological". (Democracy Now, November 1, 2010). It annoys me to no end people who claim to not be ideological. Of course he has an ideology, as do all the other people at the rally. Stewart also grouped together "Marxists actively subverting our constitution, racists and homophobes". Welcome to the Jon Stewart Tea Party. In his long interview last week of President Obama on his TV show, Stewart did not mention any of America's wars. That would have been impolite and divisive; maybe even not nice. Just my opinion, if you're wondering why people even care.
Yes, Stewart has an ideology, and the people who attended the rally have ideologies. However, they don't all share the same ideology, nor even largely similar ideologies, though I admit that left wing liberals were probably best represented among the crowd.

The thing is, even though you can discern trends in the ideological make up of the rally, ideology wasn't the purpose of the rally, nor the unifying factor. The purpose of the rally was to show how much dissatisfaction there is with the tone of public discourse in America, which is divicive and based on appeals to emotion, and to show an alternative tone: inclusive, based on facts and humor.

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