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Post by Tero » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:59 pm

Tero wrote:How is it possible for Trump to be involved in tax cuts when he cuts his own tax most?
Trump has yet to score a major legislative win since taking office in January and is pushing hard for a tax code revamp. But his plan is meeting the same internal Republican tensions between moderates and conservatives that have sunk his efforts this year to repeal the Obamacare health law.

Another early obstacle is the projected fiscal impact of the plan, which would slash U.S. revenues and expand the federal deficit and the national debt, which now exceeds $20 trillion.
Readers claim he is disqualified, but according to what?
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The Founding Fathers were wealthy so they are on Trump's side
This exemption dates back to the earliest days of the Republic, when Presidents tended to be wealthy plantation owners with large holdings of land and slaves. The Founding Fathers were well aware that men of this ilk would see their fortunes affected by some of the policies that the federal government would pursue, such as those relating to agriculture and tariffs. Rather than forcing a President to recuse himself from dealing with these issues, or to sell off his holdings, they decided to cut him some slack. Early Congresses went along with this arrangement, which survives to this day. "Because the president of the United States is the single most consequential decision maker on the planet, Congress has decided his hands shouldn’t be tied on any issue because of conflicts of interest over any potential financial or personal gain," Norman Eisen, a former ethics counsel to the Obama Administration, who is now a fellow at the Brookings Institution, told the Wall Street Journal earlier this year.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:23 pm

Because the president of the United States is the single most consequential decision maker on the planet
They've got to stop spreading this bullshit.

What do you think Glax, why are even super smart people like Tero taken in by this bs narrative of POTUS as the most important man in the world?

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Post by Sean Hayden » Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:41 pm

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Post by Tero » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:18 pm

Reality show president working just fine!!!
Tom Forman, chief executive officer of Critical Content and creator of reality shows such as Extreme Makeover: Home Edition and Kid Nation, is more matter-of-fact in explaining how Trump’s reality-show training helped him appeal to voters.

“That’s a guy who clearly doesn’t need coaching,” he says. “He knows how to play the press and the people; he’s a showman. That’s exactly what makes an extraordinary reality television character . . . As we evaluate potential reality TV characters or hosts, [you want someone who] has the ability to make a scene more than it would have otherwise been—funnier or louder, or in the case of reality television, more dramatic. You drop them in and they bring the drama. I think if you look at Trump’s Twitter feed, he clearly understands that better than the mainstream media.”

To use reality-TV vernacular, Trump is certainly bringing the “drama” to his cabinet-selection process, which the president-elect has been essentially live-tweeting.

“Think of another president who would be sort of teasing us with glimpses of his thinking during the process,” Forman says. “Trump knows, I think, that people are fascinated and eager to know and ready for a surprise and a twist at the end. This is exactly how you’d cut the episode. You’d keep people guessing until the very end. There would be leads and misleads. The guy you think is getting eliminated from the island stays. The fan favorite is voted off. This is how we cut these shows. I don’t think he’s doing it intentionally. By the way, I just want it to be clear, I don’t think it’s nefarious in any way. I think the reason he was a big TV star is the reason that people are excited to see what he will do as president. But he just knows this stuff.”

Jenkins, meanwhile, is more skeptical of Trump using his reality-TV-tested methods in politics.

“I am not surprised that he is using the same techniques he used on his game show for his political career. They’re familiar and comfortable . . . I think the biggest horror is that we, as citizens, allow ourselves to be swayed by his techniques.”

Last week, The Washington Post broke the Trump transition down in terms of elements it shares with the reality-tv genre—including contestants (Trump has brazenly reviewed various contenders, including General Petraeus, on Twitter, as though they were competing in some man-on-the-street challenge rather than vying for secretary of state), candlelit dinners (see Trump and Mitt Romney’s romantically lit tete-a-tete, after which Trump noted, “There was actually good chemistry”), and alliance-making and breaking (look no further than Kellyanne Conway’s Twitter feed). As tempting as it is to keep comparing the transition to a reality show though, and even derive some sort of dark humor from it, Jenkins offers a chilling caution about this armchair analysis.

“I don't think it’s surprising that conflict is being stoked, created, and encouraged [within Trump’s staff]. I think the sad and horrifying reality from my perspective is that all of that conflict and all of those small skirmishes . . . that’s just a smoke screen. We, as citizens, are getting distracted. It’s an unfortunate technique, but it’s effective.”

And while Trump’s political acumen may be dubious, his mastery of conflict building is not, Forman says.

“The engine that powers reality television is conflict: who’s mad at who, who’s ahead of whom, who’s winning, who’s losing. And I think he just knows that in his DNA and re-frames the conversation in those terms,” Forman explains. “By the way, it is the engine that powers reality television because it’s intuitively satisfying for the viewers. You like there to be winners and losers and right and wrong. Most of these shows have good guys and bad guys and it’s really clear which category a particular person falls into. I think politically he’s applying that same methodology. Right? America’s going to win. It’s going to win really big. For a country raised on reality television, that’s a thing we understand.”

And Trump is also skilled at controlling the narratives around him, in the manner of a reality-television pro, Forman says.

“Stepping aside from Trump for a second, if you look at the Real Housewives cast or a Real World cast, the entire narrative of those shows is an argument over what happened and how it’s going to be perceived. Who broke up with who? Who slighted who? Who insulted who? Who’s angry at who? The person who can make their point of view the point of view wins, and becomes the star of that show. [Trump] is doing that on the largest scale imaginable.”

Jenkins makes a point to note, “What you need to hear is that, whether it’s a scripted project or a reality project, the people in front of the camera, they become characters. So, Donald Trump, the judge on his game show, that’s a character. It’s frightening for me to think that other citizens don’t realize that is a character.”

Asked how conscious Trump might be of this character he projects, Jenkins looks to his own reality-show experience for clues.

“If I were betting, I would place on the side that he is aware that he has [this separate character]. Of course, the character is based on himself, but he’s created a character that is much more than himself. My perception is that he’s aware and he’s running with it because he’s succeeding. It’s different to embellish your character.“

“Paris Hilton was a sweet girl, who happened to be an heiress and have a famous last name,” Jenkins offers as an example. “She became a character, an archetype—something much bigger than the reality of who she really is as a human being. That happened to work for her career. In my opinion, Trump is doing the same thing. He has created a character based on aspects of himself, but it’s a character. And citizens believe that character is capable, and it’s just frightening, because it’s a character.”

Though Jenkins had this behind-the-scenes intel, not even he could have predicted that the American people would vote a grandstanding reality-TV character into the presidency.

“I wish that I was that insightful and could have predicted that [voter] response,” Jenkins says. “I personally did have a pit in my stomach [during the election], because I think that we sometimes forget the enormous reach of celebrity and fame. And unfortunately, on his game show, he was presented or perceived as a competent, articulate business man.”
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Post by Tero » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:37 pm

Kelly is right, there is absolutely nothing that can help him deal with Trump, from the past. Possibly only Nixon WH staff.
Kelly, according to White House officials, has seen less value in the lessons of his predecessors as he tests the limits of what military order can do for Twitter-happy Trump.

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Post by Tero » Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:20 pm

What an idiot. This cost him nothing. He might get more Democrats behind him if he supported it.
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:34 pm

Tero wrote:What an idiot. This cost him nothing. He might get more Democrats behind him if he supported it.
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The phrase 'all hat, no cattle' comes to mind, but in Trump's case it's more along the lines of 'all hat, swarm of rats.'

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Post by Ian 2.0 » Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:10 am

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump declined on Friday to explain what he meant when he described a gathering of military leaders as “the calm before the storm,” but the White House said he was not just being mischievous when he made the remark.

Pressed about what he meant by Thursday’s comment, the U.S. leader declined to elaborate, telling reporters only that, “You’ll find out.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1CB2G9

I don't know what this means. Maybe nothing. But in case it does mean something and he's just lousy at opsec (which I don't doubt), I just redistributed by mutual fund stocks: no more international funds, more emphasis on sturdy domestic ones.

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Post by Tero » Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:59 am

Last competent WH staffer day by day, hanging in there:
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Post by Tero » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:29 pm

We are Independent Idiots. We want Trump! We want him to bully all the others, of both parties. He's our bully! We don't care about healthcare. Never been to a doctor, smoke several packs a day.
First, Trump knows that gaining the support of a majority of voters in a presidential election is not a requirement; it’s simply an aspiration. In fact, two out of the last three presidents were elected despite losing the popular vote.

Second, the continued decline in support for both political parties works to Trump’s advantage. The lack of voters’ faith in both parties increases the probability that there will be a major third-party candidate on the 2020 ballot. It will also lead to other minor-party candidates joining the presidential race. The multi-candidate field will further divide the anti-Trump vote, making it possible for him to get reelected simply by holding on to his current level of support.

Third, despite dismal poll numbers, Trump enters the contest with a job approval rating that is certainly at least marginally better than what the current national polls would suggest. Throughout the 2016 election, most analysts tracked the national polling, which failed to capture Trump’s strength in key battleground states. Current surveys continue to understate his support. Many national polls survey all eligible voters, rather than registered or likely voters, which can underestimate Trump, and some voters may be reluctant to admit that they are pro-Trump at all. Add to that the fact that Trump effectively demonstrated during the 2016 campaign that he is capable of expanding his support by effectively demonizing his opponents.
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Post by Tero » Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:36 pm

Trump last president of Old White Men era:

The party and its President have accelerated a decade long trend by further alienating women, Hispanics, immigrants, urban voters and youth. The impact of this will likely be felt for decades, as the GOP base of elderly white men literally dies off. Consider that the Washington Post is reporting over a 100,000 Puerto Ricans will relocate to Florida due to the aftermath of hurricane Maria. The Republicans won that state by only 120,000 votes. They can’t outrun demographics.

Even if he escapes impeachment, even if Robert Mueller does not unveil a list of crimes, even if all the congressional and Justice investigations announce there is no evidence of collusion or tax evasion or obstruction of justice, Trump will still be remembered as the most ineffective and incompetent President in a century, if not in all of American history.
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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:13 am

This is all wrong. He's the most liberal President ever.
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Post by Tero » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:26 pm

Moron gets in a pissing contest with Tennessee Senator:
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Trump attacked Corker in a series of tweets Sunday, days after the Tennessee Republican made public comments criticizing him, prompting Corker to respond by tweeting an insult later in the morning calling the White House "an adult day care center."

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Tero wrote:Moron gets in a pissing contest with Tennessee Senator:
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Trump attacked Corker in a series of tweets Sunday, days after the Tennessee Republican made public comments criticizing him, prompting Corker to respond by tweeting an insult later in the morning calling the White House "an adult day care center."
The fighting within the Republican Party makes the in-fighting within our political parties look like mild disagreements...
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