People Who Hang Themselves

[Cunt]

I think there has to be better information available about how to do it correctly. With all the pain and suffering which would bring a person to the decision to end their lives, they don't need another dose.

I do think that everyone has the right to 'spend' their life. Including dying.

I have offered words of encouragement to those who have told me they are considering it, but would feel awkward helping them to find a reliable way.

There was a story I read some time ago, where there was a tall building (which presumably would tempt the odd suicide attempt). On the roof of this building they put a diving board.

I think that is a good intervention. (though I would still suggest there are ways to get more out of a life than suicide offers)

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I think there has to be better information available about how to do it correctly. With all the pain and suffering which would bring a person to the decision to end their lives, they don't need another dose.

Remember the scene in "Full Metal Jacket" where R. Lee Ermey hands out a book on how to kill yourself properly?

[Feck]

There are books and online info ..I have a good book on the subject ..but as I have said by PM to other members I think Explaining easy, sure and painless methods is slightly irresponsible ,I'm not sure I would like to find out that a member took his or her life over a broken heart or a depressive episode using a method I had recommended .

[mistermack]

I imagine that's the Texas tower where Whitman went on a rampage...

Oh no, I could never take out an innocent stranger. To get on my list you would need to really deserve to die. Here's my first 'stab' at a list:

1) The Pope. Not very contraversial I would have thought.
2) The man who designed the refillers for gas lighter.
3) The man who puts the perforations in toilet rolls. Badly.
4) The British royal family. ( By guillotine I think ).
5) Michael Jackson. ( Damn, too late ).

I think I would leave the world a better place, and have fun at the same time. The danger is, I might enjoy myself so much, I would change my mind. Again.
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[Cunt]

I think there has to be better information available about how to do it correctly. With all the pain and suffering which would bring a person to the decision to end their lives, they don't need another dose.

Remember the scene in "Full Metal Jacket" where R. Lee Ermey hands out a book on how to kill yourself properly?

No, sorry. (it's on my 'to see' list)

[Cunt]

There are books and online info ..I have a good book on the subject ..but as I have said by PM to other members I think Explaining easy, sure and painless methods is slightly irresponsible ,I'm not sure I would like to find out that a member took his or her life over a broken heart or a depressive episode using a method I had recommended .

I think if someone is rationally suiciding, they will find what information they need, and if they are less rational about it, they are more likely to fail. Based on that, you would be 100% correct.

But that diving board, as I see it, would filter out many 'cry for help' attempts by letting people know that they ARE allowed to end it all. Once no-one is going to stop you, screaming 'you can't stop me' gets a bit redundant...

I still don't want to install a diving board, but if someone really wanted to, and my encouragement to find another reason to live didn't work, I would have to find a way to respect the decision.

There is a man I liked in my area who refused cancer treatment. He would have certainly extended his life by accepting treatment, plus had a better time that May. He declined treatment and while I consider it suicide I will NOT disrespect his decision. Mainly because it's a bit late for that, but I would like to think I respected his decision while he lived as well (though I did encourage treatment...selfishly...I miss him)

[Cunt]

I just got a PM about a comment I made here.

I will answer it here, as discreetly as I am able.

If you want to discuss something with me, I am glad to. If you want to only communicate privately, I won't be involved.

It's a sensitive subject, I am not willing to take any of it behind closed doors with anyone here. Anything worthwhile you have to say can be said publicly. (which means if what you have to say IS worthwhile, you are denying many of the benefit of your words)

I do think your words are worthwhile, by the way, though they likely deserve their own thread.

Happy to discuss it with you, if you wish to do so less privately.

[hadespussercats]

My best friend's cousin died by auto-erotic asphyxiation. And of course, all the local papers had to write about that aspect of it in condemning ways while my friend and his family were in the first stages of grief. Fucking papers.

But I imagine the reason a lot of people go by hanging is because it is cheap and easy to get the necessary supplies and a place to do it.

I found the depiction of it in "Dancer in the Dark" to be particularly horrifying, though quick.

This is a grim thread.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I think there has to be better information available about how to do it correctly. With all the pain and suffering which would bring a person to the decision to end their lives, they don't need another dose.

Remember the scene in "Full Metal Jacket" where R. Lee Ermey hands out a book on how to kill yourself properly?

No, sorry. (it's on my 'to see' list)

It's quite funny in places. R. Lee is over-the-top crazy. Too bad they didn't have the budget to film in an actual jungle.

[Cunt]

Maybe it's popular because it's popular...

There is clear evidence that the media may affect method specific suicide rates. In Britain an excess of about 60 suicides by burning occurred in the 12 months after the widely publicised political suicide by burning of a woman in Geneva.1 The evidence concerning the media's influence on overall suicide rates is less clear. Increase in suicide rates, following the reporting of real life suicide, have been described both in Britain and the United States. 2,3 The methodologies for these and other studies are questionable, with the examination of changes in rates over apparently arbitrarily selected periods of time and a failure to show overall increases over linger tome periods. Schmidtke and Hafner have, however, produced more robust evidence by examining suicide rates after two separate broadcasts of the fictional portrayal of a young man's suicide on a railway line. An imitation effect leading to methods specific and absolute increases in the number of suicides was seen. The imitation effects were greatest in those of the same age and sex as the fictional character, and the numbers of suicides closely corresponded with the audience figures for the two broadcasts. Effects were observed for up to 70 days after the broadcast; an estimated overall excess of 60 suicides occurred.4 The effect on suicide rates of a television series dramatising the work of the Samaritans has also been studied. Although the series led to a rise in new client referrals no effect was seen on the number of suicides.5

D Gunnell

1 Ashton JR, Donnan S. Suicide by burning as an epidemic phenomenon. Psychol Med 1981;11:735-9. [Medline]
2 Barraclough B, Shepherd D, Jennings C. Do newspaper reports of coroners inquests incite people to commit suicide? Br J Psylnatry 1977;131:528-32.
3 Phillips D, Cartensen L. Clustering to teenage suicides after television news stories about suicide. N Engl J Med 1986;315:685-9. [Abstract]
4 Scmidtke A, Hafner H. The Werther effect after television films: new evidence for an old hypothesis Psychol Med 1988;18:665-76.
5 Holding TA. Suicide and "Befrienders" BMJ 1975;iii:751-3.

Emphasis mine

[maiforpeace]

We all have our mysteries in life, and one of mine is wondering why some people choose to commit suicide by hanging themselves. Please understand, I am not suicidal, but if I was, I sure as Hell wouldn't hang myself. Obviously, this is a decision that people make to end their lives, and, if I was ever in that mental state, I'd want to ingest as much morphine as I possibly could and just sort of mellow on out.

One of the problems with hanging yourself is that you have to get it exactly right the first time, or you just hang there like a stupid asshole, or maybe you evidentially die a slow death. In order to get it right the first time, do you practice tying knots or what?

We also might want to exclude those people who accidentally hang themselves while engaged...or is that engagged?...in auto-erotic asphyxiation. Hey, it's one thing to wank it when you want to, but those people who feel that they need to do it while hanging from their light fixture...I just don't get it.

OK, if any of y'all have any ideas why people choose to do this stuff, let's hear about it.

My guess is that they didn't plan and when they did decide to do it they just didn't have what they needed to do it the other ways - all you need is a length of fabric and you can kill yourself, otherwise all the other ways require some planning with tools.

I haven't searched myself, but according to a friend of mine who has apparently there isn't enough good information available on the internet to those folks who would choose to commit suicide.

I agree with Cunt. If someone wants to plan to take their own life they should have all the information they need to make it quick and painless. They are already in such pain to consider what they are doing, it's inhumane to make it even more difficult or painful for them to commit suicide when there are quick and painless ways.

[mistermack]

I agree with Cunt. If someone wants to plan to take their own life they should have all the information they need to make it quick and painless. They are already in such pain to consider what they are doing, it's inhumane to make it even more difficult or painful for them to commit suicide when there are quick and painless ways.

Painless for who? It might be painless for the one who is topping himself, but it could mean a lifetime of anguish and recriminations for family and loved ones.
I think the info should be hard to get, after all, who gives a toss if it's painful?
Some people live lifetimes in pain with no choice in the matter. A bit of pain is hardly a big deal for someone who's determined to be soon out of it.
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[Feck]

I agree with Cunt. If someone wants to plan to take their own life they should have all the information they need to make it quick and painless. They are already in such pain to consider what they are doing, it's inhumane to make it even more difficult or painful for them to commit suicide when there are quick and painless ways.

Painless for who? It might be painless for the one who is topping himself, but it could mean a lifetime of anguish and recriminations for family and loved ones.
I think the info should be hard to get, after all, who gives a toss if it's painful?
Some people live lifetimes in pain with no choice in the matter. A bit of pain is hardly a big deal for someone who's determined to be soon out of it.
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Ok I will play Devils advocate on this one, how about failed suicide attempts that result in permanent horrible damage ? Do you think coming home to find your loved one dead is worse than finding them brain damaged but alive ,or quadriplegic ? Nobody is saying that suicide is a good thing or that it should be encouraged but to say that they should suffer long painful deaths and risk horrible lifelong consequences because of the emotional pain their actions cause others is a bit vicious ? I don't think Pain puts many suicides off the act ,esp considering how many suicides have a long term history of self harm .
Of the 5 people I know that have suicided only one chose a painless method.

[maiforpeace]

I agree with Cunt. If someone wants to plan to take their own life they should have all the information they need to make it quick and painless. They are already in such pain to consider what they are doing, it's inhumane to make it even more difficult or painful for them to commit suicide when there are quick and painless ways.

Painless for who? It might be painless for the one who is topping himself, but it could mean a lifetime of anguish and recriminations for family and loved ones.
I think the info should be hard to get, after all, who gives a toss if it's painful?
Some people live lifetimes in pain with no choice in the matter. A bit of pain is hardly a big deal for someone who's determined to be soon out of it.
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If someone is determined to kill themselves they will - and it will be painful for the living no matter what. I would guess it would be less painful for the living if they knew their loved one didn't suffer while dying, and/or if they found them lying in bed dead from an overdose of drugs versus hanging in the closet, blood all over from slit wrists, or with their brains splattered all over the wall from a gunshot to the head.

[Cunt]

I agree with Cunt. If someone wants to plan to take their own life they should have all the information they need to make it quick and painless. They are already in such pain to consider what they are doing, it's inhumane to make it even more difficult or painful for them to commit suicide when there are quick and painless ways.

Painless for who? It might be painless for the one who is topping himself, but it could mean a lifetime of anguish and recriminations for family and loved ones.

I think the suicidal person has a good case for having more anguish than any of the living.
To fuck with bullying people into going on living just because someone else may have their feelings hurt. It's fucking nonsense. If someone was suffering and dying of cancer would you tell them to go on suffering so you would feel better for a little while?

I think the info should be hard to get, after all, who gives a toss if it's painful?
Some people live lifetimes in pain with no choice in the matter. A bit of pain is hardly a big deal for someone who's determined to be soon out of it.
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I don't mind the information being a little tough to get, but at the end of it all, google makes 'a little tough' ridiculously easy.

As to being insensitive to the 'bit of pain' for someone who would be 'soon out of it', I wonder if you would apply that same ethic to hunting and slaughtering practices...