United Airlines Forcibly Removes Passenger from Flight

[Hermit]

I think this will rest on what 'boarding' means in the context of air travel on US soil.

When you are sitting in your allocated seat, readied for the aeroplane to take off, you can truly be regarded as having boarded by any current definition of the word.

[JimC]

Hopefully it's not the same as "waterboarding"...

[Strontium Dog]

You were asked to cite the law. What you cited is "expert opinion".

Yes, expert opinion on the law. That's how law works, interpretation.

Airline pilots can remove passengers as and when they see fit, much as judges can remove people from a courtroom as and when they see fit. Twas always thus.

[rainbow]

You were asked to cite the law. What you cited is "expert opinion".

Yes, expert opinion on the law. That's how law works, interpretation.

Stupid then, like religion.

[pErvinalia]

You were asked to cite the law. What you cited is "expert opinion".

Yes, expert opinion on the law. That's how law works, interpretation.

You haven't even shown us the law you are supposedly referring to. Now we are supposed to imagine interpretation of this invisible law?

[Hermit]

You were asked to cite the law. What you cited is "expert opinion".

Yes, expert opinion on the law. That's how law works, interpretation.

There's a reason why I used quote marks. Had those so-called experts quoted chapter and verse, I would not have used them. I still suspect that the captains' plenary powers are founded on the fine print formulated by the airlines they work for rather than some government legislature. I also think they would not stand up to a court challenge.

[pErvinalia]

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[Forty Two]

You were asked to cite the law. What you cited is "expert opinion".

Yes, expert opinion on the law. That's how law works, interpretation.

Airline pilots can remove passengers as and when they see fit, much as judges can remove people from a courtroom as and when they see fit. Twas always thus.

They can? So, a pilot can remove someone from the plane because he doesn't like their race, religion, or other characteristic? A pilot can remove someone for no reason whatsoever, just because he sees fit?

So, you think there is a law that says a pilot has carte blanche to lawfully remove passengers who, say, are seated in seats they paid for, after being boarded onto the plane, and are sitting quietly not saying a word, seat belted, phone stowed, eyes closed, meditating?

What law is this?

[Forty Two]

I think this will rest on what 'boarding' means in the context of air travel on US soil.

When you are sitting in your allocated seat, readied for the aeroplane to take off, you can truly be regarded as having boarded by any current definition of the word.

United's contract of carriage uses the phrase "deny boarding" when talking about an overbooking situation. There is another section that deals with removing passengers and there is a very long list of reasons, not one of which relates to "refusing to stand up when ordered to leave the plane in order to allow an unticketed, unbooked person from taking your seat."

[Forty Two]

I think this will rest on what 'boarding' means in the context of air travel on US soil.

Well, I think it'll be hard for United to call removal of a ticketed and seated passenger with a valid boarding pass as being "denied boarding."

[Hermit]

I think this will rest on what 'boarding' means in the context of air travel on US soil.

When you are sitting in your allocated seat, readied for the aeroplane to take off, you can truly be regarded as having boarded by any current definition of the word.

United's contract of carriage uses the phrase "deny boarding" when talking about an overbooking situation. There is another section that deals with removing passengers and there is a very long list of reasons, not one of which relates to "refusing to stand up when ordered to leave the plane in order to allow an unticketed, unbooked person from taking your seat."

Tell him! Tell him! *Points in the general direction of Scrotium Dog

[JimC]

"Scrotium Dog"

[Brian Peacock]

I think this will rest on what 'boarding' means in the context of air travel on US soil.

When you are sitting in your allocated seat, readied for the aeroplane to take off, you can truly be regarded as having boarded by any current definition of the word.

I only mean that airline staff might be using the term in a technical sense, something akin to 'passenger management', or 'to accommodate', or whatever.