Could the Chinese Become Worse Than The Nazis?

[Coito ergo sum]

Oh give me a fucking break. If you saw workers in China who looked all happy and junk, it's because that's all you were ALLOWED to see, and it's pure Communist propaganda.

Your opinion of China was true in the 1970s. In the early 2000s we were able to go all the places we could go in the U.S. Obviously we weren't allowed onto military bases, but that's true in the U.S. too.

The fact is, when Deng took over, he started a process of economic liberalization that has now gone farther than the U.S. People had a choice between keeping their government insured "iron rice bowls" and government jobs, or taking their chances on the new free economy. At first only a brave few took advantage of that offer, but by the mid 1980s, private business was starting to overtake state owned business. The reasons were obvious: you could go to a privately owned restaurant and get prompt service and good food, because they wanted you to come back, or you could go to a state owned restaurant and wait half an hour at a dirty table before a waiter deigned to take your order. A decade later, the economy was almost entirely private, except for a few aging factories full of old school communist workers - you know, the kind that pretended to work instead of actually working. By now, those folks have all retired - and fortunately are sufficiently few in number that the state can support them without any trouble, given the now booming economy.

The idea that there's still "slave labor" in China is propaganda spread by U.S. labor unions who are afraid of fair competition, and by progressives who are unwilling to admit how effectively free market approaches have been in driving the economic boom in China.

Sorry if I don't believe you, CES, but I've heard too many reports of the Chinese government killing it's own people with impunity to believe that it's anything but a hard-line Communist state that is simply showing a facade of economic liberalization.

Huh? What? Where did I say anything about China being economically liberal and non-hard-line communist?

[Seth]

Hey Seth, do you know what people think when they see "Made in America"? They see crap. Nobody buys stuff with that label on it because they know it's overpriced and low quality. Just look at all those American cars......

Yeah, nobody buys Microsoft Windows or other Microsoft software, or even Apple devices and software, do they?

You do realize that nothing from Microsoft or Apple is actually "Made in America" right? They both use Foxxcon in China to make all their products.

No, they produce the media elsewhere. The product is made in the US.

And sorry about the mixup Warren and CES, my bad.