Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

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Re: Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by Forty Two » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:07 pm

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I think he means that the State controls every aspect of your life including what work you do.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by DRSB » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:28 pm

Forty Two wrote:
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DRSB wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:20 pm

He meant "From everyone according to their abilities, to everyone according to their needs".
Indeed, one of the most bankrupt and totalitarian concepts ever devised. It basically turns the country in to a labor camp.
Indeed, no unemployment of any kind, not even voluntarily.

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Post by Forty Two » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:59 pm

Not "employment" - Work/labor. Employment involves compensation.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by DRSB » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:06 pm

There was lots of voluntary labour as well. Building tunnels, mountain passes, etc. just for the sake of the idea. The BAM, Baykal-Amur Highway, was built almost exclusively by voluntary work. Of course you can question how voluntary it was. Tell you what, no compensation can beat an idea. My own father worked for a month on Hainboaz, the Passage of the Republic, when he was young. There was lots of enthusiasm in the early days.

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Re: Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by laklak » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:10 pm

I would SO end up in the gulag.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by Forty Two » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:42 pm

laklak wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:10 pm
I would SO end up in the gulag.
Oh, yes.... and there is a Red Brigade under construction that will make sure you get that compassionate re-education that you so urgently need.... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... tions-say/
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by Forty Two » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:40 am



Many of these activists know it....

....like this guy, who says to an immigrant from the Soviet Union that "socialism sends people like you to labor camps..."
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by rainbow » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:42 am

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But George Orwell said that what really happened was "all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others".
Indeed. The revolution merely changes the ruling class.
Power did not go into the hands of the oppressed, but to the new elite. That is not Communism.
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Re: Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by laklak » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:56 pm

We won't get fooled again.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by Scot Dutchy » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:09 pm

laklak wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:56 pm
We won't get fooled again.
You mean you think you will have a second chance?
"Wat is het een gezellig boel hier".

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Re: Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by Forty Two » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:50 pm

rainbow wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:42 am
Svartalf wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:43 pm
But George Orwell said that what really happened was "all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others".
Indeed. The revolution merely changes the ruling class.
Power did not go into the hands of the oppressed, but to the new elite. That is not Communism.
How can power ever be in the hands of someone who is oppressed?

Also, under Communism, how is it decided what factories to build, what goods to produce, what quantities, how they are to be delivered, how they are distributed, how to more equally distribute the population from cities to countryside, the structure of the industrial armies, and the seizure of the assets of emigrants and rebels, and how is it decided what peoples' needs are and what their abilities are?
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by Jason » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:14 pm

It seems there needs must always be some sort of central bureaucracy which, I might contend, will always tend to accrue more power both to individual bureaucrats and institutionally as well. This creates a de facto ruling class and is a critical failing of socialism.

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Re: Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by Scot Dutchy » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:28 pm

Does not have to be. You can have a devolved bureaucracy with a central inspectorate maintaining standards.
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Re: Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by Forty Two » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:46 pm

Someone has to decide what to produce, how much, where, when, how, why, and who does the work.

If individuals won't be permitted to decide that, then who does? How?
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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