Evolution from monkeys

[Blind groper]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palomar_College

It is easy to locate Palomar University, as above. It is a campus near san Diego, and issues degrees as other universities do.

Using plain English is not a cause for criticism, even if Mistermack believes it is. Personally, I use plain english rather a lot of the time.

Again, we see Mistermack quibbling about trivialities instead of looking at the issue.

[JimC]

Blind groper wrote:

...and issues degrees as other universities do....

You do know that there are "universities" in the States that would issue degrees in advanced basket weaving?

[Svartalf]

Blind groper wrote:

...and issues degrees as other universities do....

You do know that there are "universities" in the States that would issue degrees in advanced basket weaving?

to people who've never touched a basket in their lives, much less made one.

[mistermack]

Again, we see Mistermack quibbling about trivialities instead of looking at the issue.

Quibbling over trivialities? You have the whole scientific establishment at your service, but the only quote you can find to back up your claim is from a college, NOT a university as you claimed, and on a page aimed at children. This was dumbed down science for the young.

It is easy to locate Palomar University, as above. It is a campus near san Diego, and issues degrees as other universities do.

You clearly have comprehension problems. Your own link clearly says college, not university. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palomar_College

And it issues ASSOCIATE'S degrees, not proper degrees :

"Palomar College offers more than 250 associate's degrees and certificate programs, and also offers programs for students wishing to transfer to many different four-year universities, including institutions in the University of California and California State University systems."

Associates degrees and certificates are not degrees. They are a lower standard, for a two year course or less.
And several of Palomar college's sites are in high schools. Which is obviously what your reference page is aimed at. First years probably.

[Brian Peacock]

Blind groper wrote:

...and issues degrees as other universities do....

You do know that there are "universities" in the States that would issue degrees in advanced basket weaving?

It's a living.

[Blind groper]

A lot of Universities call themselves colleges. As always, Mistermack falls back on word trivia.

[Svartalf]

A lot of Universities call themselves colleges. As always, Mistermack falls back on word trivia.

If the data he posted is accurate and complete, Palomar is indeed a community college style establishment, offering 2yr associate programs and booster packs for students wishing to graduate to real 4yr colleges and universities.

[Blind groper]

http://www.nature.com/news/fossils-indi ... ps-1.12997

"Find suggests Old World monkeys and apes diverged 25 million years ago."

But, Mistermack, let me point out something far less trivial about the argument, which you studiously ignore (probably because you have no answer). The reference above, from Nature mag, shows old world monkeys and apes diverging 25 million years ago, as shown by the fossils.

Since old world monkeys came into being from classic simiiformes (also monkeys) about 35 million years ago, this leaves a period of 10 million years with no apes. Apes evolved from those early old world monkeys.

In other words, as I have been saying for so long, apes evolved from monkeys.

So, Mistermack, instead of raising trivia like whether a university calls itself a university or calls itself a college, how about addressing the simple fact that the data shows very, very clearly, and unambiguously, that apes evolved from monkeys?

And even if Palomar University is not a full university, its anthropology department are professionals who know what they are talking about, rather than ignorant idiots like so many contributing to this thread.

The person, Mistermack, that you are attacking, is Dr. Dennis O'Neil, who runs the biological anthropology program for Palomar, and who is fully qualified to do so, unlike yourself.

[mistermack]

The person, Mistermack, that you are attacking, is Dr. Dennis O'Neil, who runs the biological anthropology program for Palomar, and who is fully qualified to do so, unlike yourself.

Not really. He's produced a page for children. He's entitled to dumb it down.
That's obviously how he attracted you.
The page in nature says that apes and monkeys diverged. It doesn't say that they diverged from monkeys. You keep saying it, but you can only find, in the entire world, a community college page written for children to back you up.

Here is another article from Nature, which describes animals which are ancestral to apes AND monkeys, and they clearly state that they are neither ape nor monkey. You should read your own links. It disproves all your unsubstantiated bollocks:

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100714/ ... 0.354.html

[Blind groper]

To Mistermack

That is so funny!

Your reference is exactly the kind that I would use to prove apes evolved from monkeys, since it illustrates an intermediate form in the fossil record.

Use you brains, man! If older old world monkeys evolve into apes, there will be intermediate forms along that lineage. You are proving my case for me. Duh!

[pErvinalia]

You didn't say that Apes evolved from OWM. Your thesis is that APES, OWM and NWM evolved from monkeys. And they can only be said to have evolved from monkeys if we equate simiiformes with monkeys. Which is what you have done. You've basically constructed a meaningless circular argument.

[mistermack]

To Mistermack

That is so funny!

Your reference is exactly the kind that I would use to prove apes evolved from monkeys, since it illustrates an intermediate form in the fossil record.

Use you brains, man! If older old world monkeys evolve into apes, there will be intermediate forms along that lineage. You are proving my case for me. Duh!

If you had half a brain, you would see that they are claiming this as an ancestor of both apes AND monkeys. NOT an intermediate form from monkeys to apes.
Here's a hint.

Fossil skull fingered as ape–monkey ancestor

And they clearly state that it's not a monkey.
So if you and they are both right, there were monkeys, that evolved into this creature, and then evolved back into monkeys. So either you, or they, are talking bollocks.
But it's you who have the track record of talking bollocks, and them who get published in nature.
So I know where my money is going.

What they are clearly spelling out is that this creature is not a monkey, or an ape, but gave rise to apes AND monkeys.

Which is what I said all along. The ancestral simiiformes were neither ape nor monkey.

[Blind groper]

So sad, Mistermack. You are so vehement in spouting bullshit, and so ignorant on the subject of evolution.

The classic old world monkey lineage led to modern old world monkeys and to apes. So an intermediate fossil is descended from classic old world monkeys, and will lead to both modern old world monkeys and to modern apes.

Learn a little on the subject, will you. Wiki has some good information on the subject under the name "transitional fossils".

The existence of intermediate or transitional fossils is very strong evidence for the lineages I am telling you actually happened. Your reference is evidence for my point, not your silly view that somehow apes evolved from something other than monkeys.

And yes, an intermediate/transitional fossil is neither monkey or ape, but has features of both. Such an intermediate comes when an old world monkey lineage evolves ape features, but still retains some of the old monkey features also. That is what 'intermediate' means.

[mistermack]

So sad, Mistermack. You are so vehement in spouting bullshit, and so ignorant on the subject of evolution.

The classic old world monkey lineage led to modern old world monkeys and to apes. So an intermediate fossil is descended from classic old world monkeys, and will lead to both modern old world monkeys and to modern apes.

Learn a little on the subject, will you. Wiki has some good information on the subject under the name "transitional fossils".

The existence of intermediate or transitional fossils is very strong evidence for the lineages I am telling you actually happened. Your reference is evidence for my point, not your silly view that somehow apes evolved from something other than monkeys.

And yes, an intermediate/transitional fossil is neither monkey or ape, but has features of both. Such an intermediate comes when an old world monkey lineage evolves ape features, but still retains some of the old monkey features also. That is what 'intermediate' means.

I'm tired of pointing out the stupidity of your posts.
I think you're just a bullshitter. You never reply to any valid points. You just increase the flow of bullshit.
Basically, you're Coito mark two. To be honest, that actually unfair to Coito. He didn't just claim stuff, he did make some sort of effort to back it up.
You produce nothing but your own bullshit.

[Blind groper]

Mistermack

You have one value. You make me laugh.

I don't need to back up my claims when you post the data for me. Transitional fossils are the strongest evidence for my claim, and you happily dig out evidence for transitional fossils. Keep it up. I might die laughing.