We need to talk about Donald: the cursing & swearing thread

[Tero]

Not yet dealing with penises (we have not dealt with the penises since Bill), but CNN and Trump who lies more often contest is turning into a pissing contest:
Donahue Hits "Elite" Media For Hatred Of Trump: He's Now Laughing At Press, "Giving Them Middle Finger"

[pErvinalia]

So why are there multiple legal enquiries into it if it's all just made up crap?

Legal inquiries happen regarding innocent people.

While that's true, it's not the full story, is it? Legal inquiries don't just happen for no reason. They happen when there is a reason to believe that the accusations might be true. I.e., they aren't just made up crap, like you keep trying to claim.

When powerful political folks in a machine want to drum up an investigation, they can. Like when Clinton was investigated for Monica Lewinsky. A lot of inquiries happen because of politics.

This isn't helping your case, as the investigation into Clinton was justified given the accusations were right.

And, why do you think Democrats were so quick to say that the Clinton email scandal was a big nothing. Lots of inquiries and investigations of her, right? But, Democrats said it was a witch hunt, made up, and Hillary didndonuffin....

Yeah but what about the Democrats?!1!... God you are a broken record.

[Tero]

Trump blowing top and Korea going BOOM?

McMaster’s comments come a day before Trump is scheduled to meet with South Korean President Moon Jae-in. South Korea’s new leader vowed to stand firmly with Trump against North Korea, downplaying his past advocacy for a softer approach toward the isolated regime.

"Together we will achieve the dismantlement of North Korea's nuclear program, peace on the Korean Peninsula and eventually peace in Northeast Asia," Moon said.

The talks between Moon and Trump, which begin with dinner on Thursday night and then formal talks on Friday, come amid intense wrangling over North Korea.

China is pushing the United States to start negotiations with the North. That prospect appears unlikely as Trump grows frustrated over Beijing's level of economic pressure on the North, its wayward ally.

North Korea shows no sign of wanting to restart talks on abandoning its nuclear weapons program.

[Forty Two]

So why are there multiple legal enquiries into it if it's all just made up crap?

Legal inquiries happen regarding innocent people.

While that's true, it's not the full story, is it? Legal inquiries don't just happen for no reason. They happen when there is a reason to believe that the accusations might be true. I.e., they aren't just made up crap, like you keep trying to claim.

They are often made up crap. This Russia investigation has been going on since 2016. Not a shred of evidence, yet. The testimony of intelligence officials has been uniform. No evidence of any collusion. It's not an offense by the Trump administration if Russia preferred Trump and tried to interfere on his behalf.

When powerful political folks in a machine want to drum up an investigation, they can. Like when Clinton was investigated for Monica Lewinsky. A lot of inquiries happen because of politics.

This isn't helping your case, as the investigation into Clinton was justified given the accusations were right.

There was no need for a special counsel, and impeachment was not justified. It was a Republican witch hunt to destroy Clinton. Yes, he got head in the oval office, and yes, he lied about it. But, that's not what impeachment is for, and it's a miniscule offense, not worthy of a special prosecutor, years of investigation, and millions of dollars spent. it was a politically motivated investigation to try to come up with something to destroy him.

Here, the "evidence" is that people seem to think the methods and ability of whoever hacked the DNC emails are consistent with the Russians, and that the Russians are always engaged in efforts to disrupt and interfere with our elections, and that they preferred Trump to Clinton and were trying to help him win. That's enough to claim there is "smoke" and reason to investigate the "just asking questions" of whether "anyone in the Trump administration or anyone he's 'affiliated' with" actually colluded with the Russians to illegally interfere with or tamper with the elections. There's no evidence of that, but hey, we need an investigation to find out whether Trump was in league with the Russians, because the Russians were up to no good and we think they liked Trump better than Clinton.

That's the reason for the investigation - and the creation of the special counsel and this whole thing, these are spearhead by Democrats. They have a political motive.

And, why do you think Democrats were so quick to say that the Clinton email scandal was a big nothing. Lots of inquiries and investigations of her, right? But, Democrats said it was a witch hunt, made up, and Hillary didndonuffin....

Yeah but what about the Democrats?!1!... God you are a broken record.

No. It's an example of where people - like you - were saying the "investigation" was a big nothing. You now claim that investigations never come out of nowhere, and they always have to have some good reason. If that's true, then you must conclude that the Clinton investigation over emails must have been reasonable and justified, even if it concluded nothing prosecutable happened. Do you agree with that? There was smoke and good reason to investigate?

If you're not saying that all investigations are justified because they need a reasonable basis to begin with - then you have the answer to your own fucking question. That this is one of those investigations that is bullshit from the start.

Stop it with your fucking bullshit. Your constant snide remarks. Just talk like a normal human being, for once. Christ on a mother fucking bicycle.

[pErvinalia]

So why are there multiple legal enquiries into it if it's all just made up crap?

Legal inquiries happen regarding innocent people.

While that's true, it's not the full story, is it? Legal inquiries don't just happen for no reason. They happen when there is a reason to believe that the accusations might be true. I.e., they aren't just made up crap, like you keep trying to claim.

They are often made up crap. This Russia investigation has been going on since 2016. Not a shred of evidence, yet.

It's like Groundhog Day with you. You are just going back to the same tired old stuff we have addressed plenty of times before. They are classified inquiries. Mental retards expect there to be public disclosures of classified material before the conclusion of classified inquiries.

The testimony of intelligence officials has been uniform. No evidence of any collusion.

Again you are only telling a half-truth. No collusion directly between Trump and Russia.

It's not an offense by the Trump administration if Russia preferred Trump and tried to interfere on his behalf.

You are right. All these high level and bipartisan enquiries are a total waste of time. You've got it all worked out, based on not seeing the classified information. Well done, you.

When powerful political folks in a machine want to drum up an investigation, they can. Like when Clinton was investigated for Monica Lewinsky. A lot of inquiries happen because of politics.

This isn't helping your case, as the investigation into Clinton was justified given the accusations were right.

There was no need for a special counsel, and impeachment was not justified. It was a Republican witch hunt to destroy Clinton. Yes, he got head in the oval office, and yes, he lied about it. But, that's not what impeachment is for, and it's a miniscule offense, not worthy of a special prosecutor, years of investigation, and millions of dollars spent. it was a politically motivated investigation to try to come up with something to destroy him.

Moving the goalposts again. We weren't discussing whether impeachment was/is justified or not. We were discussing your dubious claim that these high level investigations were started based on nothing. Your example of the Clinton investigation doesn't help your argument. It's a case where an investigation was started on reasonable assessment of the accusation.

Here, the "evidence" is that people seem to think the methods and ability of whoever hacked the DNC emails are consistent with the Russians, and that the Russians are always engaged in efforts to disrupt and interfere with our elections, and that they preferred Trump to Clinton and were trying to help him win. That's enough to claim there is "smoke" and reason to investigate the "just asking questions" of whether "anyone in the Trump administration or anyone he's 'affiliated' with" actually colluded with the Russians to illegally interfere with or tamper with the elections. There's no evidence of that, but hey, we need an investigation to find out whether Trump was in league with the Russians, because the Russians were up to no good and we think they liked Trump better than Clinton.

There's allegedly heaps of evidence. I'm sure you've seen the Washington Post article from a few days ago.

That's the reason for the investigation - and the creation of the special counsel and this whole thing, these are spearhead by Democrats. They have a political motive.

What the fuck?! It's groundhog day again. The FBI is apolitical. How many fucking times do we need to go over this? And the political inquiries are BI-PARTISAN!

And, why do you think Democrats were so quick to say that the Clinton email scandal was a big nothing. Lots of inquiries and investigations of her, right? But, Democrats said it was a witch hunt, made up, and Hillary didndonuffin....

Yeah but what about the Democrats?!1!... God you are a broken record.

No. It's an example of where people - like you - were saying the "investigation" was a big nothing.

You'll have to explain in what way they are "like [me]", as I've never said anything remotely like that. But don't let that stop you from peddling more bullshit.

You now claim that investigations never come out of nowhere, and they always have to have some good reason. If that's true, then you must conclude that the Clinton investigation over emails must have been reasonable and justified, even if it concluded nothing prosecutable happened. Do you agree with that? There was smoke and good reason to investigate?

God you are so fucking warped with partisan bias. Why on earth wouldn't I conclude that it had a reasonable basis??! FFS. You need help.

Stop it with your fucking bullshit. Your constant snide remarks. Just talk like a normal human being, for once. Christ on a mother fucking bicycle.

You just don't get it, do you? You are probably one of the most dishonest 'rationalists' that these forums have seen. We constantly point out your dishonesty, but you just keep on doing it, and then even have the gall to have a whinge that you get aggressively called on it. FFS.

[Brian Peacock]

The Russia story is politically motivated bullshit, knowingly peddled by dishonest political hacks. https://www.vox.com/world/2017/5/19/155 ... ise-mensch

Isn't that for the ongoing investigations to conclude?

[Tero]

The Russian hacking of the election is a fact. Only the Trump crew part needs to be sorted out.

[Scot Dutchy]

Even the Russians are almost saying as much.

[Tyrannical]

The Russian hacking of the election is a fact. Only the Trump crew part needs to be sorted out.

Even CNN doesn't believe the Russian story, they just push their fake news for ratings. Of course they have to be secretly taped to tell the truth

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/33986 ... hingburger

“The Russia thing is just a big nothingburger. There’s nothing there you can do," Jones says to a person who introduces himself on the street as someone who had met Jones "in Palm Springs" a few years ago.

On Monday night, Project Veritas released a video of a medical producer at CNN saying that while he believes the Trump-Russia narrative is “bullshit,” CEO Jeff Zucker has instructed his employees to focus on it to help boost the network’s ratings.

[Forty Two]

The Russia story is politically motivated bullshit, knowingly peddled by dishonest political hacks. https://www.vox.com/world/2017/5/19/155 ... ise-mensch

Isn't that for the ongoing investigations to conclude?

Of course, but it's plain to see that there is no evidence to date. The "investigation" has been going on now for a year or more.

Look at the retractions by the Grey Lady, The New York Times, as well as CNN: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/06/29/n ... te-canard/ and https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/busi ... trump.html

Remember how much play we were seeing of the "17 Intelligence agencies agree on Trump-Russia" ---- retracted - http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/29/nyt-i ... -election/

[Forty Two]

The Russian hacking of the election is a fact. Only the Trump crew part needs to be sorted out.

It is? What did they hack and when? Link?

[Forty Two]

Even the Russians are almost saying as much.

Link?

[Tero]

In December 2016, two senior intelligence officials informed U.S. news media that they were highly confident that Vladimir Putin personally directed the operation to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. They said Putin's motives were a vendetta against Hillary Clinton and the desire to foment global distrust of the U.S.[29] Putin became personally involved after Russia accessed the DNC,[29] because such an operation required high government approval.[32] U.S. officials said that under Putin's direction, the goals evolved from criticizing American democracy to attacking Clinton, and by the fall of 2016 to directly help Trump's campaign, because Putin thought he would ease economic sanctions.[28] White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest[33] and Obama foreign policy advisor and speechwriter Ben Rhodes agreed with this assessment, with Rhodes saying operations of this magnitude required Putin's consent.[28]

Russian officials have strongly denied the allegations every time they resurfaced. In June 2016, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov denied any connection of Russia to the DNC hacks,[7] and in October Putin denounced American "hysteria" over "fictional, mythical problems".[9] In December 2016, when ABC News wrote that Putin was directly involved in the covert operation,[29] Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said he was "astonished" by this "nonsense".[8]

In January 2017, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence,[34] representing the work of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the National Security Agency (NSA), published the following assessment:

President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia's goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments.[2]:7

In June 2017, Putin told journalists that "patriotically minded" Russian hackers may have been responsible for the cyberattacks against the U.S. during the election campaign, while continuing to deny any government involvement, stating, "We're not doing this on the state level."[35]

Intrusions into state voter-registration systems
As early as June 2016, the FBI sent a warning to states about "bad actors" probing state-elections systems to seek vulnerabilities.[36] In September 2016, FBI Director James Comey testified before the House Judiciary Committee that the FBI was investigating Russian hackers attempting to disrupt the 2016 election and that federal investigators had detected hacked-related activities in state voter-registration databases,[37] which independent assessments determined were soft targets for hackers.[38] Comey stated there were multiple attempts to hack voter database registrations.[36] Director of National Intelligence James Clapper attributed Russian hacking attempts to Vladimir Putin.[39]

In August 2016, the FBI issued a nationwide "flash alert" warning state election officials about hacking attempts.[38] In September 2016, U.S. Department of Homeland Security officials and the National Association of Secretaries of State reported that hackers had penetrated, or sought to penetrate, the voter-registration systems in more than 20 states over the previous few months.[37] Federal investigators attributed these attempts to Russian government-sponsored hackers,[36] and specifically to Russian intelligence agencies.[38] Four of the intrusions into voter registration databases were successful, including intrusions into the Illinois and Arizona databases.[39] Although the hackers did not appear to change or manipulate data,[37][36] Illinois officials reported that information on up to 200,000 registered voters was stolen.[38] The FBI and DHS increased their election-security coordination efforts with state officials as a result.[36][37] Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson reported that 18 states had requested voting-system security assistance from DHS.[36] The department also offered risk assessments to the states, but just four states expressed interest, as the election was rapidly approaching.[37] The reports of the database intrusions prompted alarm from Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, Democrat of Nevada, who wrote to the FBI saying foreign attempts to cast doubt on free and fair elections was a danger to democracy not seen since the Cold War.[39]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_i ... _elections

[Brian Peacock]

The Russia story is politically motivated bullshit, knowingly peddled by dishonest political hacks. https://www.vox.com/world/2017/5/19/155 ... ise-mensch

Isn't that for the ongoing investigations to conclude?

Of course, but it's plain to see that there is no evidence to date. The "investigation" has been going on now for a year or more.

Look at the retractions by the Grey Lady, The New York Times, as well as CNN: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/06/29/n ... te-canard/ and https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/busi ... trump.html

Remember how much play we were seeing of the "17 Intelligence agencies agree on Trump-Russia" ---- retracted - http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/29/nyt-i ... -election/

Now now. Specific claims and inferences have been retracted, but to imply that this means the whole story is bunkum is going a bit far. You said the Russia story was politically motivated bullshit, but you still don't get that this story goes way beyond political affiliations and loyalties - it's a story that is deep and wide and composed of many parts, but in the main it's the story that a foreign power was probably actively working to undermine the operation of US democracy. To the extent that any politician, campaigner, or citizen was a party to that, either willingly or unwittingly, has yet to be determined. What we do know however is that members of Trump's campaign team, including the Attorney General and the former head of National Security, have lied about their dealings with the same foreign power - and so I think any determination about possible collusion has to be deferred for the moment.

[pErvinalia]

The Russia story is politically motivated bullshit, knowingly peddled by dishonest political hacks. https://www.vox.com/world/2017/5/19/155 ... ise-mensch

Isn't that for the ongoing investigations to conclude?

Of course, but it's plain to see that there is no evidence to date.

How is it "plain to see"? Any detailed evidence is classified.