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Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:13 am

mistermack wrote:Just as in the US, where the gun nut killed fifty, it doesn't matter in the slightest what this nutter shouted or thought.
Loonies are loonies. They are fucking dangerous, if they get hold of a gun. They will kill someone for the craziest of reasons. Because they are fucking mental.
"They are fucking dangerous." You're confusing a mental health diagnosis with a violent behavioural disorder. Psychopathy is a condition, not an illness - a condition you don't 'get better' from. Even so, people with psychopathy and its less severe cousin sociopathy don't go around committing random acts of violence in automatic pilot mode, as it were - such acts when they do occur require some sort of motivator, just as with everybody else. People with a mental health diagnosis, or an undiagnosed condition or illness, should not be assumed to be psychotic, that is; they should not be assumed to be, or confused for someone who is, detached from reality, antisocial, violent towards others, or unaware of their circumstances or the consequences of their actions. When people with a mental health diagnosis do present a level of risk of harm it is overwhelmingly more likely that they present a risk to themselves rather than others.

An old fashioned and uninformed notion of 'madness' is not very helpful here - it's too easy, too simplistic. Most reasonable people would agree that nobody in their right mind could have done something like this, but then again we might also say that nobody in their right mind would vote to make Nigel Farage's wet dreams come true, but even if they do it doesn't mean they are 'mad' in any clinical sense.
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mistermack wrote:Just as in the US, where the gun nut killed fifty, it doesn't matter in the slightest what this nutter shouted or thought.
Loonies are loonies. They are fucking dangerous, if they get hold of a gun. They will kill someone for the craziest of reasons. Because they are fucking mental.
"They are fucking dangerous." You're confusing a mental health diagnosis with a violent behavioural disorder. Psychopathy is a condition, not an illness - a condition you don't 'get better' from. Even so, people with psychopathy and its less severe cousin sociopathy don't go around committing random acts of violence in automatic pilot mode, as it were - such acts when they do occur require some sort of motivator, just as with everybody else. People with a mental health diagnosis, or an undiagnosed condition or illness, should not be assumed to be psychotic, that is; they should not be assumed to be, or confused for someone who is, detached from reality, antisocial, violent towards others, or unaware of their circumstances or the consequences of their actions. When people with a mental health diagnosis do present a level of risk of harm it is overwhelmingly more likely that they present a risk to themselves rather than others.

An old fashioned and uninformed notion of 'madness' is not very helpful here - it's too easy, too simplistic. Most reasonable people would agree that nobody in their right mind could have done something like this, but then again we might also say that nobody in their right mind would vote to make Nigel Farage's wet dreams come true, but even if they do it doesn't mean they are 'mad' in any clinical sense.
Finally someone with a brain. Also 'loonies' are not dangerous. The mentally ill commit fewer crimes than the normative and they are far more likely to be victims of crime than those without any kind of mental health problem.

So stick your ignorant prejudice up your fucking arse Mistermack.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:22 am

Meekychuppet wrote:Finally someone with a brian.
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Brian Peacock wrote:
Meekychuppet wrote:Finally someone with a brian.
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I see what you did there...
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Post by Hermit » Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:30 am

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mistermack wrote:Just as in the US, where the gun nut killed fifty, it doesn't matter in the slightest what this nutter shouted or thought.
Loonies are loonies. They are fucking dangerous, if they get hold of a gun. They will kill someone for the craziest of reasons. Because they are fucking mental.
...are you yet another uninformed and uneducated mouth using yet another crime as an excuse to kick the mentally ill around?
Asking for a friend, of course. :razzle:

Seriously, though, I agree with both you and Brian Peacock about this. Most unlawful - and apparently crazy - killings are not committed by people who Mistermack refers to as nutters, mentals and loonies.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:41 am

This one was planned. Fascist organisations operate in various ways. He may have been a so-called loner but you dont know how the organisation supported him.
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Scot Dutchy wrote:This one was planned. Fascist organisations operate in various ways. He may have been a so-called loner but you dont know how the organisation supported him.
How do you know?
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Post by cronus » Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:46 am

Loners usually have a close knit circle of friends, they are ideal for incorporation into terrorist cells whether sponsored or operating in isolation. My guess is he'll be someone of medium to high rank on the right wing forums....and his small circle of virtual friends will be like un-exploded bombs right now. (tick-tick- ticking away, considering their copy-cats before the cops turn up.)
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:11 am

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Jo Cox murder suspect tells court his name is 'death to traitors, freedom for Britain
Thomas Mair, 52, of Birstall, appears in Westminster magistrates court on multiple charges over killing of MP

Thomas Mair has given his name as “death to traitors, freedom for Britain” during his appearance in court charged with the murder of Labour MP Jo Cox.
Mair, 52, from Birstall, was formally charged at Westminster magistrates court on Saturday with the murder of Joanne Cox, grievous bodily harm, possession of a firearm with intent to commit an indictable offence and possession of an offensive weapon.

Asked to confirm his name, Mair said: “My name is death to traitors, freedom for Britain.” The judge then asked the defendant’s lawyers to confirm that his name was Thomas Mair, which they did.

Mair was not required to enter a plea and his lawyer Keith Allen said there was no indication of what plea would be given. He also told the court that legal aid had been applied for.

The deputy chief magistrate Emma Arbuthnot ordered that Mair be remanded in custody until his next appearance, at the Old Bailey on Monday. He will be held at Belmarsh prison, and Arbuthnot suggested that a psychiatric report be prepared, saying: “Bearing in mind the name he has just given, he ought to be seen by a psychiatrist.”
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Any doubts now that it was not planned?
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Scot Dutchy wrote:A lovely guy
Jo Cox murder suspect tells court his name is 'death to traitors, freedom for Britain
Thomas Mair, 52, of Birstall, appears in Westminster magistrates court on multiple charges over killing of MP

Thomas Mair has given his name as “death to traitors, freedom for Britain” during his appearance in court charged with the murder of Labour MP Jo Cox.
Mair, 52, from Birstall, was formally charged at Westminster magistrates court on Saturday with the murder of Joanne Cox, grievous bodily harm, possession of a firearm with intent to commit an indictable offence and possession of an offensive weapon.

Asked to confirm his name, Mair said: “My name is death to traitors, freedom for Britain.” The judge then asked the defendant’s lawyers to confirm that his name was Thomas Mair, which they did.

Mair was not required to enter a plea and his lawyer Keith Allen said there was no indication of what plea would be given. He also told the court that legal aid had been applied for.

The deputy chief magistrate Emma Arbuthnot ordered that Mair be remanded in custody until his next appearance, at the Old Bailey on Monday. He will be held at Belmarsh prison, and Arbuthnot suggested that a psychiatric report be prepared, saying: “Bearing in mind the name he has just given, he ought to be seen by a psychiatrist.”
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Any doubts now that it was not planned?
Plenty of doubt. That proves nothing.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:23 am

Planned in the sense that he went out on Thursday knowing where Jo Cox would be with some thought to fulfilling an intent - perhaps. Planned in the sense that his politics played a part in his motivation - perhaps. But planned as part of a wider plot, who can tell at the moment?
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Post by Galaxian » Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:27 am

mistermack wrote:Just as in the US, where the gun nut killed fifty, it doesn't matter in the slightest what this nutter shouted or thought.
Loonies are loonies. They are fucking dangerous, if they get hold of a gun. They will kill someone for the craziest of reasons. Because they are fucking mental.
:clap: :this: That's an excellent description of the military & those who command them :coffee:
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Post by Meekychuppet » Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:35 am

Galaxian wrote:
mistermack wrote:Just as in the US, where the gun nut killed fifty, it doesn't matter in the slightest what this nutter shouted or thought.
Loonies are loonies. They are fucking dangerous, if they get hold of a gun. They will kill someone for the craziest of reasons. Because they are fucking mental.
:clap: :this: That's an excellent description of the military & those who command them :coffee:
No, it is an excellent description of the prejudice and ignorance concerning the mentally ill.
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Post by Galaxian » Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:40 am

Meekychuppet wrote:
Galaxian wrote:
mistermack wrote:Just as in the US, where the gun nut killed fifty, it doesn't matter in the slightest what this nutter shouted or thought.
Loonies are loonies. They are fucking dangerous, if they get hold of a gun. They will kill someone for the craziest of reasons. Because they are fucking mental.
:clap: :this: That's an excellent description of the military & those who command them :coffee:
No, it is an excellent description of the prejudice and ignorance concerning the mentally ill.
Don't think there's much prejudice & ignorance about the military. On the contrary, they're lavishly supported & mollycoddled :zilla:
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Post by Meekychuppet » Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:44 am

Galaxian wrote:
Meekychuppet wrote:
Galaxian wrote:
mistermack wrote:Just as in the US, where the gun nut killed fifty, it doesn't matter in the slightest what this nutter shouted or thought.
Loonies are loonies. They are fucking dangerous, if they get hold of a gun. They will kill someone for the craziest of reasons. Because they are fucking mental.
:clap: :this: That's an excellent description of the military & those who command them :coffee:
No, it is an excellent description of the prejudice and ignorance concerning the mentally ill.
Don't think there's much prejudice & ignorance about the military. On the contrary, they're lavishly supported & mollycoddled :zilla:
Fascinating, if not totally irrelevant.
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Rum wrote:Did I leave out being a twat? (With ref to your sig)
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