How Valuable Is Your Life To You?

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Post by piscator » Mon Jan 19, 2015 1:29 pm

Jack London wrote:“Value? What value?” He looked at me, and though his eyes were steady and motionless, there seemed a cynical smile in them. “What kind of value? How do you measure it? Who values it?”

“I do,” I made answer.

“Then what is it worth to you? Another man’s life, I mean. Come now, what is it worth?”

The value of life? How could I put a tangible value upon it? Somehow, I, who have always had expression, lacked expression when with Wolf Larsen. I have since determined that a part of it was due to the man’s personality, but that the greater part was due to his totally different outlook. Unlike other materialists I had met and with whom I had something in common to start on, I had nothing in common with him. Perhaps, also, it was the elemental simplicity of his mind that baffled me. He drove so directly to the core of the matter, divesting a question always of all superfluous details, and with such an air of finality, that I seemed to find myself struggling in deep water, with no footing under me. Value of life? How could I answer the question on the spur of the moment? The sacredness of life I had accepted as axiomatic. That it was intrinsically valuable was a truism I had never questioned. But when he challenged the truism I was speechless.

“We were talking about this yesterday,” he said. “I held that life was a ferment, a yeasty something which devoured life that it might live, and that living was merely successful piggishness. Why, if there is anything in supply and demand, life is the cheapest thing in the world. There is only so much water, so much earth, so much air; but the life that is demanding to be born is limitless. Nature is a spendthrift. Look at the fish and their millions of eggs. For that matter, look at you and me. In our loins are the possibilities of millions of lives. Could we but find time and opportunity and utilize the last bit and every bit of the unborn life that is in us, we could become the fathers of nations and populate continents. Life? Bah! It has no value. Of cheap things it is the cheapest. Everywhere it goes begging. Nature spills it out with a lavish hand. Where there is room for one life, she sows a thousand lives, and it’s life eats life till the strongest and most piggish life is left.”

“You have read Darwin,” I said. “But you read him misunderstandingly when you conclude that the struggle for existence sanctions your wanton destruction of life.”

He shrugged his shoulders. “You know you only mean that in relation to human life, for of the flesh and the fowl and the fish you destroy as much as I or any other man. And human life is in no wise different, though you feel it is and think that you reason why it is. Why should I be parsimonious with this life which is cheap and without value? There are more sailors than there are ships on the sea for them, more workers than there are factories or machines for them. Why, you who live on the land know that you house your poor people in the slums of cities and loose famine and pestilence upon them, and that there still remain more poor people, dying for want of a crust of bread and a bit of meat (which is life destroyed), than you know what to do with. Have you ever seen the London dockers fighting like wild beasts for a chance to work?”

He started for the companion stairs, but turned his head for a final word. “Do you know the only value life has is what life puts upon itself? And it is of course over-estimated since it is of necessity prejudiced in its own favour. Take that man I had aloft. He held on as if he were a precious thing, a treasure beyond diamonds or rubies. To you? No. To me? Not at all. To himself? Yes. But I do not accept his estimate. He sadly overrates himself. There is plenty more life demanding to be born. Had he fallen and dripped his brains upon the deck like honey from the comb, there would have been no loss to the world. He was worth nothing to the world. The supply is too large. To himself only was he of value, and to show how fictitious even this value was, being dead he is unconscious that he has lost himself. He alone rated himself beyond diamonds and rubies. Diamonds and rubies are gone, spread out on the deck to be washed away by a bucket of sea-water, and he does not even know that the diamonds and rubies are gone. He does not lose anything, for with the loss of himself he loses the knowledge of loss. Don’t you see? And what have you to say?”

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Re: How Valuable Is Your Life To You?

Post by surreptitious57 » Mon Jan 19, 2015 6:16 pm

I am an organ donor so when I die they take out what they need before putting me in to the fryer
I am in very good nick for a fifty year old and so hopefully that shall continue till my very last day
But even if my insides are no good they shall still be of some use to medical science at least. And
everyone should be a donor because when you are dead you no longer need anything and you may
also save someones life as well so it is really a no brainer. In point of fact it should be compulsory

I have no wife or children and I am a virtual hermit so it matters not when I go. I am not afraid of death
anyway. It is so over rated. All it is is the transference of energy from one state one to another. I would
take a bullet to save the life of someone but only if I died straightaway for I have no desire to spend the
rest of my life in a wheelchair. One to the brain or heart and that shall be just fine. As perfect as can be
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Re: How Valuable Is Your Life To You?

Post by piscator » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:54 pm

Oliver Stone wrote:I don't know what to say, really. Three minutes to the biggest battle of our professional lives. All comes down to today, and either, we heal as a team, or we're gonna crumble. Inch by inch, play by play. Until we're finished. We're in hell right now, gentlemen. Believe me. And, we can stay here, get the shit kicked out of us, or we can fight our way back into the light. We can climb outta hell... one inch at a time. Now I can't do it for ya, I'm too old. I look around, I see these young faces and I think, I mean, I've made every wrong choice a middle-aged man can make. I, uh, I've pissed away all my money, believe it or not. I chased off anyone who's ever loved me. And lately, I can't even stand the face I see in the mirror. You know, when you get old, in life, things get taken from you. I mean, that's... that's... that's a part of life. But, you only learn that when you start losin' stuff. You find out life's this game of inches, so is football. Because in either game - life or football - the margin for error is so small. I mean, one half a step too late or too early and you don't quite make it. One half second too slow, too fast and you don't quite catch it. The inches we need are everywhere around us. They're in every break of the game, every minute, every second. On this team we fight for that inch. On this team we tear ourselves and everyone else around us to pieces for that inch. We claw with our fingernails for that inch. Because we know when add up all those inches, that's gonna make the fucking difference between winning and losing! Between living and dying! I'll tell you this, in any fight it's the guy whose willing to die whose gonna win that inch. And I know, if I'm gonna have any life anymore it's because I'm still willing to fight and die for that inch, because that's what living is, the six inches in front of your face. Now I can't make you do it. You've got to look at the guy next to you, look into his eyes. Now I think ya going to see a guy who will go that inch with you. Your gonna see a guy who will sacrifice himself for this team, because he knows when it comes down to it your gonna do the same for him. That's a team, gentlemen, and either, we heal, now, as a team, or we will die as individuals. That's football guys, that's all it is. Now, what are you gonna do?

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Re: How Valuable Is Your Life To You?

Post by mistermack » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:23 am

surreptitious57 wrote:A MIND IS LIKE A PARACHUTE : IT DOES NOT WORK UNLESS IT IS OPEN
My mind is like a parachute.
If it's my only chance, I'm probably fucked.
While there is a market for shit, there will be assholes to supply it.

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Re: How Valuable Is Your Life To You?

Post by Seth » Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:31 am

mistermack wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:A MIND IS LIKE A PARACHUTE : IT DOES NOT WORK UNLESS IT IS OPEN
My mind is like a parachute.
If it's my only chance, I'm probably fucked.
Do try to remember to pull the rip-cord from time to time...that helps.
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Re: How Valuable Is Your Life To You?

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Re: How Valuable Is Your Life To You?

Post by mistermack » Sat Feb 07, 2015 12:25 pm

Seth wrote:
mistermack wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:A MIND IS LIKE A PARACHUTE : IT DOES NOT WORK UNLESS IT IS OPEN
My mind is like a parachute.
If it's my only chance, I'm probably fucked.
Do try to remember to pull the rip-cord from time to time...that helps.
I do pull my cord all the time.

And you're right, it does help.
While there is a market for shit, there will be assholes to supply it.

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