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Post by JimC » Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:55 am

A meteorite with a jagged outside, a moderate density and a relatively small volume could indeed have a surprisingly small terminal velocity...
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Post by Hermit » Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:15 am

macdoc wrote:Image
I downloaded the clip. Using VLC media player allows you to go through it one frame at a time. I discovered that the relevant bits are triple / quadruple printed. Maybe they mentioned that in the commentary, but I don't understand Norwegian. Nevertheless, I am now inclined it is genuine footage of a meteor.

Edit: Just found an extended version with English subtitles.

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Post by FBM » Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:34 am

Huh. He reckons it at about 5kg. That would've left a mark.
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Post by mistermack » Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:43 pm

I would have thought that a 5kg rock would have exploded into pieces when it hit the atmosphere.
It would certainly cause a visible fireball, so it's surprising nobody saw it.
Skydivers usually have people watching on the ground.

If it came from something bigger, which broke up, then it's even more surprising nobody saw it, or heard it.
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Post by mistermack » Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:25 pm

I wonder who owns a meteorite, legally? I would imagine that they could be worth a few quid.
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Post by macdoc » Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:31 am

Yes they are and there disputes about meteors found on private property.

Some at worth $100s per gram..

http://geology.com/meteorites/value-of-meteorites.shtml
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Post by Hermit » Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:57 am

mistermack wrote:I wonder who owns a meteorite, legally? I would imagine that they could be worth a few quid.
Ownership depends on which country you live in. According to Amundsen that meteor would be worth several hundred thousand Norwegian Kroner.


There are still some things to this story that don't gel.

Why was there no mention of the incident between its publication on youtube a few days ago and the actual event 20 months earlier?

Then there is Amundsen himself. On his facebook page he mentions that he graduated at the university of Oslo in 1991, then worked for Saga Petroleum as a staff geologist from 1992 to 1999. Since then he is manager of Earth and Planetary Exploration Services. No mention at all is made of him working for Oslo uni. At zoominfo he is described as "Lead Investigator University of Oslo, Norway" and "Team Leader University of Oslo". The site also reveals that Amundsen himself established the company he is manager of.

Some sort of publicity stunt? Maybe. Maybe not. To his credit, in August 2012 Amundsen robustly criticised NRK's (or more accurately the radio station NRK owns) for its tabloid style of producing advertorials disguised as legitimate reportage here. (Google translate was surprisingly helpful in this instance.)

While I am no longer prepared to altogether dismiss the story as a hoax, I still have some misgivings.
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Post by FBM » Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:59 am

mistermack wrote:I would have thought that a 5kg rock would have exploded into pieces when it hit the atmosphere.
It would certainly cause a visible fireball, so it's surprising nobody saw it.
Skydivers usually have people watching on the ground.

If it came from something bigger, which broke up, then it's even more surprising nobody saw it, or heard it.
I think the guy said that the sharp edges on it indicated that it was part of a bigger one that broke up. As for the chance of someone seeing the fireball, I guess it depends on how populated the area was. Since they're poking around in a pretty remote-looking forest, I wouldn't be surprised if nobody saw it. I'm pretty sure the number of meteors that are never seen, especially in the daytime, is far greater than the ones that are. People just don't spend that much time staring at the sky.
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mistermack wrote:I would have thought that a 5kg rock would have exploded into pieces when it hit the atmosphere.
It would certainly cause a visible fireball, so it's surprising nobody saw it.
Skydivers usually have people watching on the ground.

If it came from something bigger, which broke up, then it's even more surprising nobody saw it, or heard it.
I think the guy said that the sharp edges on it indicated that it was part of a bigger one that broke up. As for the chance of someone seeing the fireball, I guess it depends on how populated the area was. Since they're poking around in a pretty remote-looking forest, I wouldn't be surprised if nobody saw it. I'm pretty sure the number of meteors that are never seen, especially in the daytime, is far greater than the ones that are. People just don't spend that much time staring at the sky.
Well, to you, even Oslo would be sparsely populated. :smoke:

I think the important word here is "day time". You will not see a flash in the day, unless the meteorite is huge.
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Post by FBM » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:52 am

True that. The population density over here is insane. :nono:
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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:54 am

MiM wrote:
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mistermack wrote:I would have thought that a 5kg rock would have exploded into pieces when it hit the atmosphere.
It would certainly cause a visible fireball, so it's surprising nobody saw it.
Skydivers usually have people watching on the ground.

If it came from something bigger, which broke up, then it's even more surprising nobody saw it, or heard it.
I think the guy said that the sharp edges on it indicated that it was part of a bigger one that broke up. As for the chance of someone seeing the fireball, I guess it depends on how populated the area was. Since they're poking around in a pretty remote-looking forest, I wouldn't be surprised if nobody saw it. I'm pretty sure the number of meteors that are never seen, especially in the daytime, is far greater than the ones that are. People just don't spend that much time staring at the sky.
Well, to you, even Oslo would be sparsely populated. :smoke:

I think the important word here is "day time". You will not see The Flash in the day, unless you inhabit the DC Comics universe.
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Re: KFO

Post by rainbow » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:09 am

JimC wrote:A meteorite with a jagged outside, a moderate density and a relatively small volume could indeed have a surprisingly small terminal velocity...
I disagree, I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised. :shock:
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